Fosters Maple No.18...Info
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As you know I'm always on the lookout, aren't we all! I found this stove close to me...very rare to find an antique parlor stove in this area! The seller doesn't seem to know much about it, thinks it may be a wood stove. At first glance it appears to be a coal stove but I don't see a primary air intake on the lower ash door. The access door on the ash door seems it may just house the grate ends. I assume the handle on the access door is just to open it, not a draft knob. Any ideas or info on this stove?
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- Sunny Boy
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It looks like the end of the center grate bar may be triangular. If it is, that's a pretty good sign that it has coal grates. Next question then is what condition are they in ????
The nickeled door with the tee handle on the ash drawer door may be the primary damper? I'm thinking that maybe turning that tee handle holds the door open somehow.
Is there a back pipe, or at least a support base for one on the rear of the ash drawer area ?
And if, like with other oak stove makers, the 18 is related to it's firepot size, be prepared to have to use window stats with those LI winters. That'll hold about 60-70 pounds of coal with a 1 inch liner.
Paul
The nickeled door with the tee handle on the ash drawer door may be the primary damper? I'm thinking that maybe turning that tee handle holds the door open somehow.
Is there a back pipe, or at least a support base for one on the rear of the ash drawer area ?
And if, like with other oak stove makers, the 18 is related to it's firepot size, be prepared to have to use window stats with those LI winters. That'll hold about 60-70 pounds of coal with a 1 inch liner.
Paul
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there may be a long loosely pivoting screw behind that "T" handle that opens and holds the oval door open in infinite adjustments.
it might also be possible to "just" reach the center grate bar end from the mostly open oval door, if not this is going to be a messy stove to tend, needing the full ash drawer to be open to shake the grates. considering the design practices of other manufacturers of the period I would hope and believe the first until shown otherwise.
and yes, if the 18 is the pot designation that stove will need to be idled a good deal of the time
as is, a further inspection with better angled and lit pics are in order.
it might also be possible to "just" reach the center grate bar end from the mostly open oval door, if not this is going to be a messy stove to tend, needing the full ash drawer to be open to shake the grates. considering the design practices of other manufacturers of the period I would hope and believe the first until shown otherwise.
and yes, if the 18 is the pot designation that stove will need to be idled a good deal of the time
as is, a further inspection with better angled and lit pics are in order.
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nice, thanks for that verification and the additional hope that the grates will be accessible from there too.
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Well done, Grump. Good find on such a rare damper setup.
Paul
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What makes you suspect it's a bit stove, verses a typical coal/wood oak? I don't see anything that would indicate some type of extra secondary air feed other than the loading door damper ?
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I would bet it has a round grate, like mine, in my photo you can see the part of the grate where you hook on the tool to shake the grate, I suspect this stove is the same.Sunny Boy wrote:What makes you suspect it's a bit stove, verses a typical coal/wood oak? I don't see anything that would indicate some type of extra secondary air feed other than the loading door damper ?
Paul
But I could be wrong.. also it would be helpful to see the back of the stove, to see if there is an over fire air vent.
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I don't see any type of round grate extension. I
f you enlarge the third picture, you can see the end shafts of three grate bars just inside the ash door opening.
On the left end you can just make out the tips of the cog (gear) teeth sticking out past the grate bars support plate. The cogs tie all three bars together to be turned by turning only the center bar.
The center axle shows a flat on top that is very close to the correct width for the end of the bar being triangular. That flat indicates the flat side of the grate bars so that by just looking at the end of the bar, you always know when all three bars are finish rotating to flat side up.
Paul
f you enlarge the third picture, you can see the end shafts of three grate bars just inside the ash door opening.
On the left end you can just make out the tips of the cog (gear) teeth sticking out past the grate bars support plate. The cogs tie all three bars together to be turned by turning only the center bar.
The center axle shows a flat on top that is very close to the correct width for the end of the bar being triangular. That flat indicates the flat side of the grate bars so that by just looking at the end of the bar, you always know when all three bars are finish rotating to flat side up.
Paul
Good call, I agree, I missed that, a Hard coal stove for sure, Bravo sir...it was very dark in the photo, good eye..Sunny Boy wrote:I don't see any type of round grate extension. I
f you enlarge the third picture, you can see the end shafts of three grate bars just inside the ash door opening.
On the left end you can just make out the tips of the cog (gear) teeth sticking out past the grate bars support plate. The cogs tie all three bars together to be turned by turning only the center bar.
The center axle shows a flat on top that is very close to the correct width for the end of the bar being triangular. That flat indicates the flat side of the grate bars so that by just looking at the end of the bar, you always know when all three bars are finish rotating to flat side up.
Paul
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Thanks for all the replies. Great photo of the primary air Grumpy, thanks. So what makes a stove designed for bit compared to ant? Is it safe to say this stove pictured is designed for anthracite? I thought about needing to open the ash door to shake this stove like KingCoal mentioned. My first Chubby had this same design, quite messy! It does seem that only the middle grate end has a flat spot. This leads me to believe that the end grates are geared to the middle and I may be able to access it from the primary air door. So Grumpy, how exactly does this setup work? Would I need to unscrew the primary all the way out allowing the door to fully open, then I could get to the grate ends? If it has an 18" fire pot like Sunny Boy and kingcoal mentioned then this stove is a monster. Like they say, better too much stove than not enough.
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If it's a bit stove, in addition to the secondary damper in the loading door, it will have some form of pre-heated secondary air distributed over the fire to help burn off the higher amount of volatiles. Sometimes through a central tube and sometimes up the sides of the firepot.tcalo wrote:Thanks for all the replies. Great photo of the primary air Grumpy, thanks. So what makes a stove designed for bit compared to ant? Is it safe to say this stove pictured is designed for anthracite? I thought about needing to open the ash door to shake this stove like KingCoal mentioned. My first Chubby had this same design, quite messy! It does seem that only the middle grate end has a flat spot. This leads me to believe that the end grates are geared to the middle and I may be able to access it from the primary air door. So Grumpy, how exactly does this setup work? Would I need to unscrew the primary all the way out allowing the door to fully open, then I could get to the grate ends? KingCoal, yes 18" pot is a monster. Like they say, better too much stove than not enough.
A couple of the Glenwood #6 base heater owners said they can burn bit coal well because of the gas ring that some #6 have around the top of the firepot that preheats and delivers additional secondary through about a dozen small holes spaced around the pot and out over the top of the coal bed.
Yes, the grate bars are geared together so that moving the middle one moves the ones on either sides You can see cog teeth in the third picture.
Looks like you just lift up the primary damper to unlatch it and swing it out and down to gain access to the grate bars for shaking.
Paul