MONEY saving idea ??

MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: gutts On: Sun Apr 27, 2008 7:54 pm

O K now that i have all your attention.
I am sorry to post this here but i did not know the right forum . I belong to several forums and i get a sense that this group [coal men] is ..mature , down to earth , intelligent , and will want to save money .
I have had an idea in my head for many years. I do not know how to work out the sizing , or "engineer" it , but i think it will work .
Take several hundred to several thousand feet of , say 1" flexible plastic tubing and bury it 10-12ft below the surface of the yard . Run it into the house to a circulator then to , say maybe a "modine style hanging radiator [the ones in garages , with the fans behind them]
GET IT ??
The ground at that level stays a constant 55 deg.
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK [ before i start digging for nothing ???]
gutts
 
Stove/Furnace Make: jenson
Stove/Furnace Model: not sure[1981]

Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:42 pm

Sorry gutts, Someone has already thought of it.

Its called a Geothermal heat pump. Here's a link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_heat_pump

They are good systems. But expensive to put in.
cArNaGe
 

Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Apr 27, 2008 10:47 pm

Geo theraml works very well for all seasons, it can also provide cooling in the summer. They become less effective during the winter the colder the climate is. Not sure what the exact cut-off is but its not very far below the freezing point. You'll still need other heat if you live in a very cold climate. The other downside as mentioned is the initial investment is quite bit, be worth it in the long run but will take many years to see any return.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite


Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:54 am

I think Guts is thinking of bring the structure up to 55 by just pumping water. The problem is, you want it over 55. As soon as you add heat to make it 70 the underground pipes will rob the heat & send it to the Earth. To try & use it for cooling, without a heat pump all you get is clamy condensation.

Heat pumps! News to most I'll bet.... a company in Bangor, Maine called Honneywell International (A tiny group of people) have invented a heat pump that works well below 30 degrees. It's tightly patented and they're thinking very shortly no one will buy "the old type". Why stop getting heat at 30* when for a few hundred bucks more you can make heat down below zero. Yes, below zero. Not only that, but no drilling wells, no underground pipes. This is an air to air system. Later this year they will have an air to water system for radiant heat.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:44 pm

coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:50 pm

seems the geothermal guys like to bait on all forums across the internet now, not just hvac ones.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:04 pm

Berlin wrote:seems the geothermal guys like to bait on all forums across the internet now, not just hvac ones.


His previous posts indicate the poster is legitimate.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: MONEY saving idea ??

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:30 pm

ahh, my bad, i didn't do any research before i commented. I just remembered similar style posts spammed across many other boards and assumed that's what this was.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal