Best comments I've read on the War,,

Best comments I've read on the War,,

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Apr 27, 2008 9:28 pm

It's a long read, but worth it.

> If you can cast aside your political beliefs, this is an interesting read. It
> is not something you want to hear but considering the impacts of not facing up
> to the terrorist threat leaves even more threat to our future generations..
> This is the most powerful and at the same time frightening article
> about our future world situation. Whether a Republican, Democrat or
> Independent, you need to considered this man's premise of things to come.
> Please read the entire article.
> An Articulate Piece written on the War we are Fighting. The
> writer of this narrative is Dr.Vernon Chong, MajorGeneral, USAF, Retired.
> "For what it's worth ... This is the most cogent and powerful
> essay on the threat of Islamic terrorism I have ever read. Dr. Vernon Chong
> is, without a doubt, the most articulate and convincing writer I have read
> regarding the War in Iraq . If you have any doubts, please open your mind to h
> isessay and give it a fair evaluation. It's also eerily applicable to other
> current issues, such as Iran 's nuclear program, immigration, NAFTA's impact on
> American jobs, trade deficits, etc. I had no idea who Dr. Chong is, or the
> source of these thoughts, so when I received them, I almost deleted them, as
> well-written as they are. But then I did a Google search on the Doctor and
> found him to be a retired
> Air Force surgeon and past commander of Wilford Hall Medical Center in
> San Antonio ."
> If you would like to see who this fine man is, go to this Air
> Force web site and look him up:
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
000>" Then read below.
> Muslim terrorists and the U.S.A. :
> A different spin on the war in Iraq : This WAR is REAL by Dr.
> Vernon Chong, Major General, USAF, Retired
> To get out of a difficulty, one usually must go through it. Our
> country is now facing the most serious threat to its existence, as we know it,
> that we have faced in your lifetime and mine (which includes WWII).
> The deadly seriousness is greatly compounded by the fact that
> there are very few of us who think we can possibly lose this war and even fewer
> who realize what losing really means.
> First, let's examine a few basics:
> 1. When did the threat to us start?
> Many will say September 11, 2001. The answer, as far as
> the United States is concerned, is 1979, 22
> years prior to September 2001, with the following attacks on us:
> * Iran Embassy Hostages, 1979;
> * Beirut, Lebanon Embassy 1983;
> * Beirut, Lebanon Marine Barracks 1983;
> * Lockerbie, Scotland Pan-Am flight to New York 1988;
> * First New York World Trade Center attack 1993;
> * Dhahran , Saudi Arabia Khobar Towers Military complex
> 1996;
> * Nairobi , Kenya US Embassy 1998;
> * Dares Salaam , Tanzania US Embassy 1998;
> * Aden , Yemen USS Cole 2000;
> * New York World Trade Center 2001;
> * Pentagon 2001.
> (Note: during the period from 1981 to 2001 there were 7,581
> terrorist attacks worldwide.)
> 2. Why were we attacked?
> Envy of our position, our su ccess, and our freedoms. The
> attacks happened during the administrations of Presidents Carter, Reagan, Bush
> 1, Clinton and Bush 2. We cannot fault either the Republicans or Democrats, as
> there were no provocations by any of the presidents or their immediate
> predecessor, President Ford.
> 3. Who were the attackers?
> In each case, the attacks on the US were carried out by
> Muslims.
> 4. What is the Muslim population of the World? 25%.
> 5. Isn't the Muslim Religion peaceful? Hopefully, but that is
> really not material. There is no doubt that the predominately Christian
> population of Germany was peaceful, but under the dictatorial leadership of
> Hitler (who was also Christian), that made no difference. You either went along
> with the administration or you were eliminated. There were 5 to 6 million
> Christians killed by the Nazis for political reasons (including 7,000 Polish
> priests).
> (see
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> Thus, almost the same number of Christians were killed by the
> Nazis as the six million holocaust Jews who were killed by them, and we seldom
> hear of anything other than the Jewish atrocities. Although Hitler kept the
> world focused on the Jews, he had no hesitancy in killing anyone who got in the
> way of his extermination of the Jews or of taking over the world - German,
> Christian, or any others.
> Same with the Muslim terr orists. They focus the world on the
> US , but kill all in the way -- their own people or the Spanish, British, French
> or anyone else. The point here is that, just like the peaceful Germans were of
> no protection to anyone from the Nazis, no matter how many peaceful Muslims
> there may be, they are no protection for us from the
> terrorist Muslim leaders and what they are fanatically bent on doing --
> by their own pronouncements -- killing all of us "infidels." I don't blame the
> peaceful Muslims. What would you do if the choice was to remain silent or be
> killed?
> 6. So who are we at war with? There is no way we can honestly
> respond that it is anyone other than the Muslim terrorists. Trying to be
> politically correct and avoid verbalizing this conclusion can well be fatal.
> There is no way to
> win if you don't clearly recognize and articulate who you are fighting.
> So with that background, now to the two major questions:
> 1. Can we lose this war?
> 2. What does losing really mean?
> If we are to win, we must clearly answer these two pivotal questions:
> We can definitely lose this war and, as anomalous as it may sound,
> the major reason we can lose is that so many of us simply do not fathom the
> answer to the second question - What does losing mean?
> It would appear that a great many of us think that losing the war
> means hanging our heads, bringing the troops home, and going on about our
> business, like post-Vietnam. This is as far from the truth as one can get.
> What losing really means is:
> We would no longer be the premier country in the world. The
> attacks will not subside, but, rather,
> will steadily increase. Remember, they want us dead, not just quiet.
> If they had just wanted us quiet, they would not have produced an increasing
> series of attacks against us over the past 18 years. The plan was, clearly,
> for terrorists to attack us until we were neutered and submissive to them.
> We would, of course, have no future support from other nations, for
> fear of reprisals and for the reason that they would see, we are impotent and
> cannot help them.
> They will pick off the other non-Muslim nations, one at a time. It
> will be increasingly easier for them. They already hold Spain hostage. I t
> doesn't matter whether it was right or wrong for Spain to withdraw its troops
> from Iraq . Spain did it because the Muslim terrorists bombed their train and
> told them to withdraw the troops. Anything else they want Spain to do will be
> done. Spain is finished.
> The next will probably be France . Our one hope with France is that
> they might see the light and realize that if we don't win, they are finished
> too, in that they can't resist the Muslim terrorists
> without us. However, it may already be too late for France . France
> is already 20% Muslim and fading
> fast.
> Without our support, Great Britain will go also. Recently, I read
> that there are more mosques in England than churches.
> If we lose the war, our production, income, exports, and way of
> life will all vanish as we know it. After losing, who would trade or deal with
> us if they were threatened by the Muslims? If we can't stop the Muslim
> terrorists, how could anyone else?
> The radical Muslims fully know what is riding on this war, and
> therefore are completely committed to winning, at any cost. We'd better know
> it, too, and be likewise committed to winning at any cost.
> Why do I go on at such lengths about the results of losing?
> Simple. Until we recognize the costs of
> losing, we cannot unite and really put 100% of our thoughts and efforts
> into winning. And it is going
> to take that 100% effort to win.
> So, how can we lose the war? Again, the answer is simple. We can
> lose the war by " imploding." That is, defeating ourselves by refusing to
> recognize the enemy and their purpose and failing to dig in and lend full
> support to the war effort. If we are united, there is no way that we can lose.
> If we continue to be divided, there is no way that we can win.
> Let me give you a few examples of how we simply don't comprehend the
> life and death seriousness of
> this situation:
> President Bush selects Norman Mineta as Secretary of
> Transportation. Although all of the terrorist
> attacks were committed by Muslim men between 17 and 40 years of age,
> Secretary Mineta refuses to allow
> profiling. Does that sound like we are taking this thing seriously?
> This is war!
> For the duration, we are going to have to give up some of the
> civil rights to which we have become accus tomed. We had better be prepared to
> lose some of our civil rights temporarily or we will most certainly lose all of
> them permanently. And don't worry that it is a slippery slope. We gave up
> plenty of civil rights during WWII, and immediately restored them after the
> victory . and, in fact, added many more since that time.
> Do I blame President Bush or President Clinton before him?
> No, I blame us for blithely assuming we can maintain all of our Political
> Correctness and all of our civil rights during this conflict and have a clean,
> lawful, honorable war. None of those words apply to war. Get them out of your
> head.
> Some have gone so far in their criticism of the war and/or the
> Administration that it almost seems
> they would literally like to see us lose. I think some actually do. I
> hasten to add that this isn't because they are disloyal. It is because they
> just don't recognize what losing means. Nevertheless, that conduct gives the
> impression to the enemy that we are divided and weakening. It concerns our
> friends and it does great damage to our cause.
> Of more recent vintage, the uproar fueled by the politicians and
> media regarding the treatment of some prisoners of war perhaps exemplifies best
> what I am saying. We have recently had an issue involving the treatment of a
> few Muslim prisoners of war, by a small group of our military police.. These
> are the type prisoners who just a few months ago were throwing their own people
> off buildings, cutting off their hands, cutting out their tongues, and
> otherwise murdering their own just for disagreeing with Saddam Hussein.
> And, just a few years ago, these same type prisoners chemically
> killed 400,000 of their own people for the same reason. They are also the same
> type of enemy fighters who recently were burning Americans and dragging their
> charred corpses through the streets of Iraq, and still more recently, the same
> type of enemy that was and is providing videos to all news sources
> internationally of the beheading of American prisoners they held.
> Compare this with some of our press and politicians, who for
> several days have thought and talked about nothing else but the "humiliating" of
> some Muslim prisoners -- not burning them, not dragging their charred corpses
> through the streets, not beheading them, but "humiliating" them.
> Can they be for real?
> The politicians and pundits have even talked of impeachment of
> the Secretary of Defense. If this
> doesn't show the complete lack of comprehension and understanding of the
> seriousness of the enemy we are fighting, the life and death struggle we are
> in, and the disastrous results of losing this war, nothing
> can.
> To bring our country to a virtual political standstill over this
> prisoner issue makes us look like Nero playing his fiddle as Rome burned --
> totally oblivious to what is going on in the real world. Neither we, nor any
> other country, can survive this internal strife. Again, I say, this does not
> mean that some of our politicians or media people are disloyal. It simply means
> that they are absolutely oblivious to the magnitude of the situation we are in
> and into which the Muslim terrorists have been pushing us for many years.
> These people are a serious and dangerous liability to the war
> effort. We must take note of who they
> are and get them out of office. Remember, the Muslim terrorists stated
> goal is to kill all infidels. That translates into ALL non-Muslims -- not just
> in the United States , but throughout the world. We are the last bastion of
> defense.
> We have been criticized for many years as being 'arrogant.' That
> charge is valid. We are arrogant in that we believe that we are so good,
> powerful, and smart that we can win the hearts and minds of all those who
> attack us, and that, with both hands tied behind our back, we can defeat
> anything bad in the world. We can't! If we don't recognize this, our nation, as
> we know it, will not survive, and no other free country in
> the world will survive if we are defeated.
> And, finally, name any Muslim countries throughout the world
> that allow freedom of speech, freedom of thought, freedom of religion, freedom
> of the press, equal rights for anyone -- let alone everyone, equal
> status or any status for women, or that have been productive in one
> single way that contributes to the
> good of the world.
> This has been a long way of saying that we must be united on this
> war or we will be equated in the
> history books to the self- inflicted fall of the Roman Empire . If,
> that is, the Muslim leaders will allow history books to be written or read.
> If we don't win this war right now, keep a close eye on how the
> Muslims take over France in the next
> 5 years or less. They will continue to increase the Muslim population
> of France and continue to encroach, little by little, on the established French
> traditions. The French will be fighting among themselves over what should or
> should not be done, which will continue to weaken them and keep them from any
> united resolve. Doesn't that sound eerily familiar?
> Democracies don't have their freedoms taken away from them by
> some external military force. Instead,
> they give their freedoms away, politically correct piece by politically
> correct piece. And they are giving those freedoms away to those who have shown,
> worldwide, that they abhor freedom and will not apply it to you or even to
> themselves, once they are in power.
> Muslims have universally shown that when they have taken over,
> they then start brutally killing each
> other over who the few will be controlling the masses.
> What is happening in Iraq is a good example. Will we ever stop
> hearing from the politically correct
> about the "peaceful Muslims?"
> I close on a hopeful note by repeating what I said before: If
> we are united, there is no way that we
> can lose. I hope now, after the election, the factions in our country
> will begin to focus on the critical situation we are in, and will unite to save
> our country. It is your future we are talking about. Do whatever you can to
> preserve it. I reiterate: our national election is under way.
> After reading the above, we all must do this, not only for
> ourselves, but for our children, our grandchildren, our country, and our world.
> Whether Democrat or Republican, conservative or liberal ...
> and that includes the Politicians and media of our country and the free
> world.
> Please forward this to any you feel may want, or NEED to read it.
> Our "leaders" in Congress ought to
> read it, too. There are those who find fault with our country, but it
> is obvious to anyone who truly thinks through this, that we must UNITE!
> Lastly, I wish to add: at the risk of offending, I sincerely think
> that anyone who rejects this as just
> another political rant, or doubts the seriousness of this issue, or
> just deletes it without sending it
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Re: Best comments I've read on the War,,

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 12:46 am

Although I agree with most of that article it should be noted the stated author is not who wrote it. Anytime I get anything in a email like that I check it. usually the title in quotes and the word hoax works.

Looks like that one has been floating around since 2005, it was originally written by an Attorney to his three sons.
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Re: Best comments I've read on the War,,

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 6:47 am

Richard S. wrote:Although I agree with most of that article it should be noted the stated author is not who wrote it. Anytime I get anything in a email like that I check it. usually the title in quotes and the word hoax works.

Looks like that one has been floating around since 2005, it was originally written by an Attorney to his three sons.

Thanks Richard. That's why I am always skeptical about anything a I see on the net. Trust but Verify
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Re: Best comments I've read on the War,,

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:46 pm

It's still a pretty thought provoking read. Thanks :) Scott
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