Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: pret On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:39 pm

Is coal-trol as easy to use as the electronic ash grate thermocouple that AHS uses? I read posts from AHS users with the thermocouple and they say, "set it and leave it ALL WINTER LONG"! Now THAT's the sissy boy stuff I'm looking at! SIGN ME UP! Besides, I want the wife to be able to change the settings if necessary -- it needs to be user-friendly!

Also, any AA users using either of these boiler control set-ups?

Also, any suggestions for someone like myself that will be setting up a AA this summer to make it as easy as pie to run? I'm okay with dreaming - just tell me it's a dream! Looking for the most bang for the buck regarding set up. I will be eventually installing radiant floor heat in the first floor, anything to consider?

Thanks!
pret
 

Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: gregolma On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:53 pm

The AA 130 is as easy as pie to run stock. What is your question?
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Stove/Furnace Make: Axeman Anderson
Stove/Furnace Model: 1980 Anthratube 130

Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:39 pm

Just as Greg said, there is nothing to be concerned about to run either the AA or the AHS. Just install it and set it up.

To my knowledge, the coal trol will not work with an AHS or AA boiler..

No special considerations for using the boiler to heat water for radiant floor heat.. It's just hot water.. What you do with it is up to you.

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: rychw On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:50 pm

I have played around with the Fuji settings a bit. The stock setting tells the grate to move at 140 degrees. I have moved it down 5 degrees at a time and found that 120 is best for me. I was getting too much unburned coal at the higher temps. Another varible that may affect the setting is coal size and quality. The manual talks about lowering the setting in warmer months or when the temperatures outside are mild. I am very happy with the automatic grate feature of the AHS boiler. The only suggestion I would make is to move the control boz for the Fuji off the boiler and mount it on a nearby wall. The manual that came with the Fuji controller talks about having it mounted away from vibration and temperature extremes.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS 130
Coal Size/Type: Pea
Stove/Furnace Make: AHS
Stove/Furnace Model: 130

Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: Freddy On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:16 pm

The radiant heat.... will the entire first floor have it, or is part of that floor baseboard? The reason I ask is.... if it's the whole floor, no problem, put it on a thermostat, job done. But, if some rooms are radiant, and others that are open to the radiant part are baseboard then there's an issue. If you put both on thermostats, the baseboard heats up faster. The air will waft over to the infoor thermostat & shut it off before the floor comes up to temperature. What you'd need to do is put the baseboard on a thermostat and the radiant would have a "slab-stat". A device that get's buried into the floor. It simply keeps the floor at the same temp all the time. That way it's not effected by air temperature. Keep the floor at 79-81 and the air will be a comfy 71.
My kitchen, dining, living room are all open to each other. The living room is baseboard, the kitchen dining ceramic tile with radiant. The slab stat works well. I did add a wall switch so I can shut off the infloor on sunny days as we get a lot of solar gain & it'll override.

Generally speaking, hot water for radiant in concrete, 90 to 110 degrees, radiant on a wood floor, 120 to 140 degrees. I've seen some run 145.

Do tell more about running the Axeman Anderson! It has some sort of ash temp thingy.... how's that work?
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: pret On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:56 pm

The radiant will be throughout the first floor - no baseboard. I will have probably 3 zones: living room and study will have carpet, foyer and dining engineered hardwood, kitchen/powder room/laundry will have vinyl. I haven't done the research necessary yet for the radiant. The radiant will be installed, hanging, between rafters in the basement. The insulating qualities of carpet and wood and vinyl are all different, but not sure if that will matter in my application. I'm budgeting three zones if it does indeed matter.

Back to the AA set-up - Greg (NY) - do you have the AA in the house? If so, can you speak to the noise level of the auger. I plan to put the boiler in a boiler room, insulated on all sides - beneath my WIFE'S kitchen (if loud enough, we'll hear it... and I'll hear about it for the life of the boiler!) Just trying to plan for it.

I don't know if I can put insulation directly above the boiler, I won't be able to run pipes for the radiant if I do... will 6 X 12 foot of space without pex matter too much if I do install the insulation over the boiler??

Greg and Greg :D your AA is simply wired to your thermostat and you just let 'r run?
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Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 7:18 pm

My boiler is in a remote outside building.. my boiler runs on it's aquastat to keep a constant flow of hot water to the water/water heat exchangers in the house.. The thermostats in the house controlling the baseboard zones are the original thermostats and zones, the only difference is that the water circulated through the water/water heat exchangers instead of being heated by the propane boiler.

For a 'normal' in-basement instalation, the circulator pump would be wired to run only when there is a call for heat, so it would be wired just like a propane, NG or oil boiler..

As for the infloor radiant.. I'd steer clear of vinyl flooring.. it won't like being heated... and if you must have carpet on the floor,, don't pad it, and expect it to act as an insulating layer, not what you really want. I'd recommend wood and ceramic throughout the house and use strategic 'throw rugs'.

If I were to build a new house or do any renovations on my home, I'd go with ceramic flooring.. with the big box stores, Lowes and Home Depot, there is a lot of very nice, inexpensive ceramic available... The comfort difference is amazing.. if you put in hot-floor ceramic in the kitchen, you will be taking your shoes off when you enter the kitchen, just to feel the warm floors.

For insulating the ceiling above the boiler room,, install your radiant piping,, and reflective layer facing up, and a layer insulation between the floor joists. Then on the ceiling add two layers of drywall,, I'd use one layer of 5/8" and a second of either 1/2 or 5/8". The heavy dense layers will keep the noise from the AA auger from transmitting through the floor.. you don't have to use full sheets.. cut the drywall to managable sizes and glue/screw it in place. Tape the joints to seal it into one solid layer.

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: gregolma On: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:48 pm

My AA is in the basement, sort of in the middle. It's uninsulated with open wood joists, separated from the 1st floor by a T&G sub floor and a 5/4 red oak T&G floor.

You really don't hear much; a light clang from the by pass door swing shut and a low rumble from the fan, with an occasional clunk as the grate switch kicks on.

I control it with a an old White Rogers Digital Comfort Set II for set back control. My gas back ups are on their own t-stat circuit. I have them set at 50F as an emergency, but I only use the gas boilers a little in the spring.
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Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: Freddy On: Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:20 am

gregolma wrote:You really don't hear much; a light clang from the by pass door swing shut and a low rumble from the fan, with an occasional clunk as the grate switch kicks on.


Sounds good to me! You had me scared that the AA was a gear monster grinding it's teeth all night as it kicked it's feet on the footboard. :) My AA is going in a seperate room behind the oil boiler, it should be fine.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Using coal-trol or fuji therocouple with AA or AHS

PostBy: pret On: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:45 am

Thanks fellas. I think the I'll be able to pick up the AA sometime in June, so I'll be asking more questions then. Again, thanks.
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