Coal Stoker and Generating Electricity- Off Grid

 
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Post by blrman07 » Wed. Aug. 31, 2016 8:29 pm

I love this sitE!!!! I never heard of a Lister engine and now I want one. I have no real use for one. I just want it. :o


 
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Post by CoalisCoolxWarm » Wed. Aug. 31, 2016 8:30 pm

[quote="Rob R."]Good question. I'll ask. Probably not a quick response, though

 
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Post by CoalisCoolxWarm » Wed. Aug. 31, 2016 8:51 pm

blrman07 wrote:I love this sitE!!!! I never heard of a Lister engine and now I want one. I have no real use for one. I just want it. :o
Hey, back off, they're ALL MINE now! LOL :P :lol: 8-)

Hit and miss is what I always called them.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Wed. Aug. 31, 2016 9:40 pm

Insanity spreads easily, I inherited mine from my children. Padre, you are much nearer and as a coal illuminati a special showing is available for you and the Ms anytime along with lousy coffee and a cheap meal. The superslow speed means that they last just about for ever. BTW, no they are not hit and miss engines as that is something else and much less efficient . They were a 30s English engine that became to expensive to make and the Indians started making them and you can still get parts. The EPA banned importing them on some emission excuse even though as a stationary engine (1200#) it is none of their business. There are ways around that one.

You will find them say in the jungles of Thailand where they run on coconut oil and just about anything else and run the local power plant. Some have run for decades and show no wear. I will stop now or I won't sleep either.

 
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Post by franco b » Wed. Aug. 31, 2016 10:46 pm

A couple.

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Post by warminmn » Wed. Aug. 31, 2016 11:19 pm

Instead of dreaming up ways to create more electric than is needed, think up ways not to use it. Its been talking about some already. Propane or wood/coal cookstove, LP refrigerator, propane or LED lighting off battery, charge things like laptops, smartphones in your car. A small generator to use some and to charge batteries. or bite the bullet and have it wired, which will likely be what happens as thats what almost everyone does after considering the options. :lol: It costs money whether you have electric or are doing without it. We are all spoiled now.

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 2:00 am

Instead of dreaming up ways to create more electric than is needed, think up ways not to use it.
Party pooper, I want to heat up the planet.


 
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Post by blrman07 » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 5:57 am

Have you got enough water flow for this Wirtz water pump? It's pretty neat and just sits there and runs due to water power. All you need is enough flow to turn a wheel. The one in this example is a big one but you can make them smaller. Since it runs 24/7 on water power you don't need a heck of a lot of wheel to fill a storage tank. :shock:

http://www.ecosnippets.com/diy/how-to-pump-water-without-electricity/

 
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Post by CoalisCoolxWarm » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 7:04 am

blrman07 wrote:Have you got enough water flow for this Wirtz water pump? It's pretty neat and just sits there and runs due to water power. All you need is enough flow to turn a wheel. The one in this example is a big one but you can make them smaller. Since it runs 24/7 on water power you don't need a heck of a lot of wheel to fill a storage tank. :shock:

http://www.ecosnippets.com/diy/how-to-pump-water-without-electricity/
No, not enough water flow. That pump is great for high flow, low head. Our situation would be low flow, medium to high head.

BTW, I looked hard at those a few years ago for a campground. They are great along a river and can quite easily be set to raise and lower with water levels- like a floating dock. Just be sure to put it on a swing-away (break away style) mount for debris during flooding and spring rains ;)

 
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Post by McGiever » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 1:07 pm

CoalisCoolxWarm wrote:
McGiever wrote:CCXW,
Yes, there is exactly the inverter which does all that and more...I own a pair of them and the mode you need is one of four different modes...I am using a different mode using grid-tied w/battery backup and send surplus solar back on the grid for credit to use at a later time or day...solar panels, battery bank, utility grid and propane generator all synchronized in one user friendly controller. :)
Cool! Got a link/pic? :D
This stuff isn't cheap, but others in just your situation have found this to work very much to their liking and after all said and done it can be a lot cheaper than $30K. :)

These can be a pre-wired assembled package or can be purchased À la carte and can be wired and assembled at site . There is still plenty of wiring to do, but the pre-wired gets you all the breakers, bus bar, inter-connect terminals and switch gear cabinets for a neat package.

If you would have a external ATS with the generator already (auto transfer-switch) you could do as I did and use the Outback VFXR Hybrid.
If wanting to have a incorporated internal ATS in the inverter then the OB Radian will do nicely.

One Radian will give you 120/240vac, but it takes two VFXR or one and a X-240 autotransformer to get you the same 120/240vac.
Wattage required will play into the mix too for figuring this all out.
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Post by warminmn » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 2:45 pm

coalnewbie wrote:
Instead of dreaming up ways to create more electric than is needed, think up ways not to use it.
Party pooper, I want to heat up the planet.
You can always burn a few tires and release freon from old cars on the weekends to compensate for being too green :)

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 3:27 pm

The ozone cycle and the Montreal Protocol are are needed as Obummers climate change screw ups. However, burning a few tires, now that has promise. :)

 
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Post by coalnewbie » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 3:36 pm

it can be a lot cheaper than $30K.
Geez, all propane generators are c rap and need constant weekly energizing. For $30k I want a Mercedes. The utility co. wants a 20 year agreement to grid tie that is unbreakable and will depreciate your property value. Other than that I am sure a lot of that chit will need servicing (and that my friends is a rule of the universe that people forget when installing complex chit) and will break down mid January when it's -20*. At that time the company will be out of business and only three people on the planet will know how to fix it and they will be busy until mid summer.

I want a honkin' huge base heater and a BIG pile of black rocks, now that is living.

You guys slay me with this stuff, I don't even have to slay myself. It reminds me of a new Deere tractor with DPFs.

 
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Post by CoalisCoolxWarm » Thu. Sep. 01, 2016 9:25 pm

McGiever wrote: This stuff isn't cheap, but others in just your situation have found this to work very much to their liking and after all said and done it can be a lot cheaper than $30K. :)

These can be a pre-wired assembled package or can be purchased À la carte and can be wired and assembled at site . There is still plenty of wiring to do, but the pre-wired gets you all the breakers, bus bar, inter-connect terminals and switch gear cabinets for a neat package.

If you would have a external ATS with the generator already (auto transfer-switch) you could do as I did and use the Outback VFXR Hybrid.
If wanting to have a incorporated internal ATS in the inverter then the OB Radian will do nicely.

One Radian will give you 120/240vac, but it takes two VFXR or one and a X-240 autotransformer to get you the same 120/240vac.
Wattage required will play into the mix too for figuring this all out.
Outback Power FLEXpower_New.JPG
radianseries_8048a_4048a_specsheet.pdf
flexpower_two_specsheet.pdf
Thanks! :punk:

 
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Post by Rob R. » Fri. Sep. 02, 2016 5:52 am

coalnewbie wrote:Geez, all propane generators are c rap
Some people say the same thing about the Listeroid engines from India that arrive with the crankcase contaminated with casting sand. In reality some are better than others, and the right person can make them run a long time. My neighbor has two of them. What surprised me the most when I saw them run was the balance, or lackthereof. A heavy mounting base is definitely required to keep them from hopping around.


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