Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:58 am

samhill wrote:So then kindly splan it please SWP, I already thanked you in advance!


Got a link to the State not getting the tax, but the companies keep it ?

Paul
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 10:09 am

Hard to find SB but the deal was it's not a gas tax increase but a removal of a distributer tax of some sort so it was called a fee. It was to be phased in over 5 years & I think we have 2 more to go. It is supposed to go to roads but also goes to those cities with bus authorities, they prefer to call it a user fee & the price of oil determines the fee rate, we have been lucky with the lower prices but it isn't going to last. There were also other fee hikes yearly included, I'm fortunate with my location I can drive the half mi. or so on my dirt road to Ohio's paved roads & go about the same distance to get Ohio gas around 40 cents per gal cheaper those in other areas are screwed. Still haven't seen any work being done around here & the Twp. dirt & gravel roads allotment was lowered until recently it came back to what it was.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:01 am

samhill wrote: Could you simplify the fact that we are paying more but the state is not getting it for me, I'm not totally sure how that worked out, thanks in advance.
Sunny Boy wrote:Got a link to the State not getting the tax, but the companies keep it ?
samhill wrote:Hard to find SB but the deal was it's not a gas tax increase but a removal of a distributer tax of some sort so it was called a fee. It was to be phased in over 5 years & I think we have 2 more to go. It is supposed to go to roads but also goes to those cities with bus authorities, they prefer to call it a user fee & the price of oil determines the fee rate, we have been lucky with the lower prices but it isn't going to last. There were also other fee hikes yearly included, I'm fortunate with my location I can drive the half mi. or so on my dirt road to Ohio's paved roads & go about the same distance to get Ohio gas around 40 cents per gal cheaper those in other areas are screwed. Still haven't seen any work being done around here & the Twp. dirt & gravel roads allotment was lowered until recently it came back to what it was.


Here is your explanation, but I'm sure you will claim that I'm attacking you.



Your claim was that a tax was being collected for you by the state, but you aren't getting it (in the first quote above), and you want me to explain why. :roll:

Paul asked you to provide a link to show that the state is not getting a tax.

Then in your next quote.......you provide no link to back up your allegations, but you want us to believe your assumption that the state isn't getting the tax/fee (they are exactly the same thing) because there is no road work being done at your house..........wow, just wow. :bang: :bang:

The real explanation is that you have no clue what you are talking about.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 11:26 am

As I said (I believe it was claimed to be a fee & not a tax) I don't buy gas in Pa. unless I have no choice so don't know what the pumps say. As always there is much more coming out of the transportation fees than roads & bridges, noe it's State Police, public transportation, the Pa. Turnpike & others. Our gas tax goes many different ways is all I said. Here is a bit of an explanation...

http://www.newsmax.com/Freind/pennsylva ... id/539639/
Found this that explains how the recalculation works, we have the highest now & this was from 2014 so we have until 2019 for it all to roll in.
http://www.newsmax.com/Freind/pennsylva ... id/539639/

Another about some of the other hidden fees...
http://watchdog.org/217331/paindy-as-tr ... es-on-way/
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:20 pm

samhill wrote:As I said (I believe it was claimed to be a fee & not a tax) I don't buy gas in Pa. unless I have no choice so don't know what the pumps say. As always there is much more coming out of the transportation fees than roads & bridges, noe it's State Police, public transportation, the Pa. Turnpike & others. Our gas tax goes many different ways is all I said. Here is a bit of an explanation...

http://www.newsmax.com/Freind/pennsylva ... id/539639/
Found this that explains how the recalculation works, we have the highest now & this was from 2014 so we have until 2019 for it all to roll in.
http://www.newsmax.com/Freind/pennsylva ... id/539639/

Another about some of the other hidden fees...
http://watchdog.org/217331/paindy-as-tr ... es-on-way/

This doesn't show that the state was collecting a tax for you, as you claimed.

What it does show is that the state levied a fee/tax and they are getting it.

Both are contrary to what you stated.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:57 pm

I should have stated it as from me as I don't buy in Pa. but the tax is no longer a flat tax determined by the state but rather a fluctuating tax determined by the distributors.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:34 pm

samhill wrote: but the tax is no longer a flat tax determined by the state but rather a fluctuating tax determined by the distributors.

I think you may have misread something, somewhere. You just stated that a fuel distributor can add a tax of zero to the fuel, if they so choose.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: samhill On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:22 pm

I did not say that SWP but perhaps they could if they want, I would imagine there is a min. in there somewhere but I think most will agree that a tax by any other name is still a tax & never really goes away. Much like the Temp. tax for rebuilding Johnstown after the flood.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:45 pm

samhill wrote:I did not say that SWP but perhaps they could if they want, I would imagine there is a min. in there somewhere but I think most will agree that a tax by any other name is still a tax & never really goes away. Much like the Temp. tax for rebuilding Johnstown after the flood.

This is why proof was asked of you earlier by Paul. You are throwing something out there, that you show no proof of........then you want me/us to make sense of it.

I can't and won't do that, Sam. If you have a case, make it. So far, you have proven yourself wrong with everything you've stated here.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:13 am

Our Gasoline tax is determined by millage not by mileage, what they did was set the method of calculation & taxed the oil companies with the lie that they didn't think the tax would be fully passed on. Typical political smoke & mirror act, with the new method our price doesn't fluctuate with the price of oil for some odd reason & that's why our gas prices don't go down like most other states. I admit I was wrong in my wording but Pa. will get price increases when others will see a drop, we get the upside but not the down.
http://www.alleghenyinstitute.org/fuel- ... ists-2015/
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:48 am

Thanks for posting that article, Sam. It's very informative. The key thing to remember about it is the last line:
Given the very thin margins in the business, passing the tax along is a virtual necessity.
This goes with almost every business out there. The consumer will be hit with any tax/fee that is added 99.9% of the time, regardless of how politicians want to spin it, because the wholesalers and business owners need to feed their families also.

As you can see though, Pa. residents are getting hit harder than any other state, just because of the way they designed the tax plan.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: freetown fred On: Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:56 am

NY State only gas tax not including Fed. is 43.40 per. gal. Quit your whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: toothy
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:08 am

freetown fred wrote:NY State only gas tax not including Fed. is 43.40 per. gal. Quit your whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :clap: toothy

Yes, but our current price for gas is 2 cents higher because of the way they added the tax, as Sam's link points out. :nana:


http://www.gasbuddy.com/USA
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: samhill On: Tue Oct 04, 2016 12:10 pm

Your right SWP we all know that the oil business barely & hardly ever shows any earnings, I'll still keep going into Ohio to save nearly 40 cents/gal, sometimes a little more sometimes less & it all comes up the same pipeline.
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Re: Gas tax going up 23 cents in New Jersey

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue Oct 04, 2016 1:12 pm

samhill wrote:Your right SWP we all know that the oil business barely & hardly ever shows any earnings, I'll still keep going into Ohio to save nearly 40 cents/gal, sometimes a little more sometimes less & it all comes up the same pipeline.

I believe they show earnings, but it's only a few cents per gallon of actual profit after the bills are paid.

But all this leads into what I said earlier about the Extraction Tax that Governor Wolf wants to levy on the natural gas drilling companies. Any tax added there, will be passed onto the consumer also, because they likewise only make a few cents per CFM after the bills are paid. If they were to attempt to eat the tax, it would bankrupt them, just like it would the oil companies or the wholesalers.
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