Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Sun Oct 16, 2016 10:52 am

If the guns locked up how did he shoot her?
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:02 am

SWPaDon wrote:It is my understanding that the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter had the guns and ammo locked up. But when her son shot and killed her, he got the keys to the weapons. The weapons should not have been on the property, considering she knew he had problems.

They were not locked up and were stored in a foot locker in HIS room. How could he shoot and kill her if they were locked up?
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun Oct 16, 2016 11:08 am

Early stories said that just the one gun wasn't locked up, this story says that none of them were: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... -1.1243602
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:08 pm

None of the guns should have been in the house. I guess she 'misread' her son and it cost a lot of lives. That is not the fault of the gunmaker, though.
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:42 pm

She was trying to make her son something he was not. It was irrational and cost her and 26 others their lives.
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:25 am

bobok wrote:Nobody died at Sandy Hook. FBI crime stats say so. :shock: BoboK.


Generally you have to be very careful when looking at crime data because the reporting agency may report it differently or even the crimes may be categorized differently. Other issues include how often they are reported, an assault in small town may be reported that may go unreported in larger city.

As I recall in this case Connecticut did not report the Sandy Hook victims under the standard murder category, they had a special section for this. One of the reasons they may do this is to keep anomalies out of the stats, I believe the same thing was done with the 9/11 victims. Including such events in standard stats skews them making them unrealistic.
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: bobok On: Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:34 am

I stand by my statement, too many unanswered questions :shock: BoboK
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:30 am

Richard S. wrote:
bobok wrote:Nobody died at Sandy Hook. FBI crime stats say so. :shock: BoboK.


Generally you have to be very careful when looking at crime data because the reporting agency may report it differently or even the crimes may be categorized differently. Other issues include how often they are reported, an assault in small town may be reported that may go unreported in larger city.

As I recall in this case Connecticut did not report the Sandy Hook victims under the standard murder category, they had a special section for this. One of the reasons they may do this is to keep anomalies out of the stats, I believe the same thing was done with the 9/11 victims. Including such events in standard stats skews them making them unrealistic.


How could leaving out 26 murders "skew stats" except if a false impression of murder is wanted ? How could the murders of 26 people be an "anomaly" in murder stats ?

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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Oct 19, 2016 7:15 am

Sunny Boy wrote:
How could leaving out 26 murders "skew stats" except if a false impression of murder is wanted ? How could the murders of 26 people be an "anomaly" in murder stats ?

Paul


They were not left out of the Connecticut report, they were not included in the regular murder stats hence the reason they do not appear in the FBI data. If I recall correctly there was whole section of the report dedicated to the Sandy Hook murders and the heading included something about them. It's not like they were simply swept under the rug.

It becomes an anomaly if it significantly impacts the results of statistical analysis. When analyzing data you need to find anomalies like this, you either adjust or throw it out completely. The FBI crime data is used for a lot of things like realty and I would imagine Connecticut made conscious effort to keep those murders out of the regular stats.

For example the small town my Grandmother lives in might have a murder every decade and if we use the average over many decades it's relatively safe place. They had triple murder from out of towner a few years back. For that year the town was listed in the top 20 most dangerous places in PA. While the raw statistics support it that is just not realistic. It would only be realistic if that trend continued over a decade.

Of course you need to be careful with things like this, that is why I said be very careful with any crime data. Leaving the Sandy Hook murders out the regular murder statistics makes sense generally however if you were doing study on say on how gun laws affect the murder rates it'snot something you would want to leave out.
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:24 am

SWPaDon wrote:It is my understanding that the mother of the Sandy Hook shooter had the guns and ammo locked up. But when her son shot and killed her, he got the keys to the weapons. The weapons should not have been on the property, considering she knew he had problems.


Unfortunately, we may never know the facts related to this case. The state and state police will not provide access to its records. They claim that only the information and records that they want to divulge will be provided to the public. As to any other records that might not fit their narrative, forget it, you cannot get access to those records.

And given the fact that police can lie with almost no limit .. I'm sure that politics play a major role in what the police will provide the public.
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Re: Lawsuit against Remington dismissed - Sandy Hook Shooting

PostBy: ddahlgren On: Wed Oct 19, 2016 2:46 pm

Never forget the police can and will lie to you about most anything with zero problems for them but if you lie to them it's off to jail for you.
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