Plate Exchanger Sizes

Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sun May 04, 2008 12:56 pm

Whats the BTU rating for different size plate exchangers?

Like 30 plate 40 plate 50 plate?

Everywhere I've searched on the net its different.


Some websites say 30 plate is 180 btu some say they are 225. Anyone know or is it according to manufacturer?
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun May 04, 2008 1:11 pm

The problem is the size of the plates is often different. some are 3.5"x12" some are 5"x16" [rough sizes]. I use a 40 plate exchanger of the roughly 5"x16" size... I think it is good for 180K... It definitely works for my applications.

I'd call the manufacturers to be sure.

Greg L
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun May 04, 2008 5:24 pm

cArNaGe wrote:Everywhere I've searched on the net its different.


It will be. The number of plates, their sizes, gaps between the plates, port sizes and flow rates and even the material they are manufactured from will change the specs.
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: 26Weeks On: Sun May 04, 2008 6:14 pm

Does any of the manufactures make a dual purpose plate exchanger for home heating and dhw to keep all seperate or is two required? Thanks Brian
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: Steve.N On: Sun May 04, 2008 6:20 pm

I sell from 10 plate all the way to 60 plate but don't know the btu off the top of my head. I will post the specs in the morning when I get back to the shop. Input temperature has a large effect and the exchangers are rated at two different temperatures.


Steve
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sun May 04, 2008 8:30 pm

I just got home from work and ran downstairs to check it out. I have a 30 plate exchanger. I'm just curious how much btu's get transfered from my OWB to inside the house. I guess it doesn't really matter seeing how I'm not going to use it once I hook up my EFM.
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon May 05, 2008 12:19 am

CaRnGe, what are you going to use for domestic hot water?? I'd use the plate exchanger to heat the cold water at the inlet to the hot water tank.

Greg L.
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Mon May 05, 2008 4:44 am

LsFarm wrote:CaRnGe, what are you going to use for domestic hot water?? I'd use the plate exchanger to heat the cold water at the inlet to the hot water tank.

Greg L.


I have an indirect hot water heater on one of my zones,
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: Steve.N On: Mon May 05, 2008 8:12 am

The exchangers I stock are made by Deversifyed transfer and measure 5" x 11" outside

10 Plate=40,000 BTU
20 Plate=60,000 BTU
30 Plate=100,000 Btu
40 Plate=180,000 Btu
50 Plate=240,000 Btu
60 Plate=280,000 BTU
70 Plate=320,000 Btu
80 Plate=360,000 Btu
90 Plate= 380,000 BTU
100 Plate=400,000 Btu

Hope this helps

Steve
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Mon May 05, 2008 4:57 pm

Steve.N wrote:The exchangers I stock are made by Deversifyed transfer and measure 5" x 11" outside

10 Plate=40,000 BTU
20 Plate=60,000 BTU
30 Plate=100,000 Btu
40 Plate=180,000 Btu
50 Plate=240,000 Btu
60 Plate=280,000 BTU
70 Plate=320,000 Btu
80 Plate=360,000 Btu
90 Plate= 380,000 BTU
100 Plate=400,000 Btu

Hope this helps

Steve


How thick or deep is your 30 plate?

I'll measure mine when I get home.
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Tue May 06, 2008 11:36 pm

So what kind of heat loss should you expect across one of these plate exchangers?
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: Yanche On: Tue May 06, 2008 11:44 pm

stokerscot wrote:So what kind of heat loss should you expect across one of these plate exchangers?
The engineering specs are on the manufacturer's web site. See: http://www.dhtnet.com/brazed_plate_heat_exchangers.htm
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: Steve.N On: Wed May 07, 2008 7:06 pm

My experience with the exchangers is that they don't seem to give the performance that the catalog implys. We typically install a 50 plate for an average house and sub zero temps really seem to strain them. Of course this is heating the existing radiation which might work fine with 220 deg F off of the oil boiler but might be a little light at 180deg off of an out door boiler. Direct is always better if you can get away with it.

Steve
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed May 07, 2008 7:50 pm

Steve.N wrote:My experience with the exchangers is that they don't seem to give the performance that the catalog implys. We typically install a 50 plate for an average house and sub zero temps really seem to strain them. Of course this is heating the existing radiation which might work fine with 220 deg F off of the oil boiler but might be a little light at 180deg off of an out door boiler. Direct is always better if you can get away with it.

Steve
In my professional engineering opinion once you start using heat exchangers in a hydronic heating system you have reached the limit of "rule of thumb" design. You need to do an "engineering" design not just use the nominal suggested typical, temperature drops, water flow rates, etc. I'm not surprised your experience with plate heat exchangers do not live up to data sheet expectations, particularly during high demand conditions.

The best text on "engineering" hydronic heating systems is "Modern Hydronic Heating for Residential and Light Commercial Buildings, 2E (Hardcover)" by John Siegenthaler, P.E. List price is over $150! I'm waiting for delivery of a discounted book from Amazon.com.
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Re: Plate Exchanger Sizes

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed May 07, 2008 9:19 pm

There are a couple of considerations for getting the most out of an exchanger... If your water flow is too slow,, then the heat from the supply water is absorbed by the heated water before the supply water makes it's way the full length of the exchanger,, the return water exiting the exchanger will be rather cool, only a few degrees above the heated water going to the baseboards..

If the rate of flow is increased in the heated water, the entire length of the exchanger will be at full temperature, and the heated water will be able to absorb more heat, this in effect increases the effective size [heated area] of the exchanger.

I have had two different pumps on my system, the lower flow and head pump [Taco 007] was not high volume enough with cold weather, the second pump, about double the capacity is up to the job.

Greg L

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