took the plunge...

took the plunge...

PostBy: JohnnyAsbury On: Sat May 10, 2008 4:46 pm

Bought a Keystoker 90, w/ coal-trol.I have a 2 - story 1500 sq. ft., well insulated house ,w/ Anderson double pane windows. Usually burn 700 gallons a year including hot water off the oil boiler. I will have this downstairs in the living room. I purchased 5 tons of bagged coal, which I will have in the basement on pallets. Think I will have enough for one or two seasons ? Thanks !
JohnnyAsbury
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: 90 - Direct vent

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: Freddy On: Sat May 10, 2008 7:44 pm

Congrats on your smart move! I'm a newbie too. I don't even have my boiler yet, but getting excited about not paying the Arabs next winter.
Last edited by Freddy on Sun May 11, 2008 6:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: vtec350 On: Sat May 10, 2008 9:43 pm

I'll be putting my deposit down this week on mine, Keystoker KAA-2 boiler. Also getting 24 tones of bulk too, should be enough for a few years :D .Most will be stored outside, I will have to start building my coal bin in the basement soon,4x8x4 bin, should hold about 3 tons.I will be hooking it to my Weil McLain boiler just in case I go away and need an oil back up. I'm rite with ya Freddy, them Arabs aren't getting my money anymore. This site is great, you all have given this newbie a lot of ideas and info., almost makes me look foward to winter now.
vtec350
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

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Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: Flamingo26 On: Sat May 10, 2008 10:25 pm

vtec350 wrote:I'll be putting my deposit down this week on mine, Keystoker KAA-2 boiler.

How are you getting around the ASME requirement in Mass and Keystoker not having the stamp?
Flamingo26
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kast Console II

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: BomoJim On: Sun May 11, 2008 11:46 am

Hey Johnny, where did you get your Keystoker? I live in Vermont and all I can find are pellet stoves. My son lives near Nashau In Lyndeborough.
BomoJim
 
Stove/Furnace Model: 2BDtermined

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: JohnnyAsbury On: Sun May 11, 2008 3:32 pm

Complete Heat in Nashua. Nice guy. Dewey from Kensington NH sent me in to see him...
JohnnyAsbury
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: 90 - Direct vent

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun May 11, 2008 4:14 pm

Flamingo26 wrote:
vtec350 wrote:I'll be putting my deposit down this week on mine, Keystoker KAA-2 boiler.

How are you getting around the ASME requirement in Mass and Keystoker not having the stamp?
Here's what the Mass. code requires:

3610.6.3 Solid fuel-burning central heating appliance labeling: Every solid fuel-burning boiler or warm air furnace shall bear a permanent and legible factory-applied label supplied to the manufacturer and controlled by an approved testing agency; such label shall contain the following information:
1. Manufacturer’s name and trademark;
2. Model and/or identification number of the appliance;
3. Type(s) of fuel(s) approved;
4. Testing laboratory’s name or trademark and location;
5. Date tested;
6. Clearances to combustibles
(a) Above top
(b) From front
(c) From back
(d) From sides
7. Floor protection if applicable
8. National test standard(s)
9. Label serial number
10. Type of appliance (boiler or warm air furnace)
11. Every boiler, pressure vessel, or pressure relief device must be stamped in accordance with the requirements of the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code. ASME stamping shall also be required for boilers, pressure vessels and pressure relief devices produced outside the United State of America. Where required by the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, ASME stamping may be affixed directly to the appliance in lieu of on the data plate.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: Flamingo26 On: Sun May 11, 2008 4:30 pm

Yanche wrote:11. Every boiler, pressure vessel, or pressure relief device must be stamped in accordance with the requirements of the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code. ASME stamping shall also be required for boilers, pressure vessels and pressure relief devices produced outside the United State of America. Where required by the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, ASME stamping may be affixed directly to the appliance in lieu of on the data plate.

Keystoker boilers do not possess this stamp. Seems this brand is disallowed for Massachusetts residents (unless someone can tell us otherwise). Sad part is that the dealers don't mention that.
Flamingo26
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kast Console II

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun May 11, 2008 5:27 pm

Link to MA CMR

http://www.mass.gov/Eeops/docs/dps/BuildingCode/780036P10.pdf

There are exceptions.

3610.6.11 Used solid fuel-burning appliances - installation inspection: Used solid fuel-burning appliances that predate the listing requirements set forth in 780 CMR 3610 may be utilized but the installation of such appliances shall otherwise conform to the requirements of 780 CMR 3610 and such installations shall be inspected by the Building Official (or Fire Official in such towns that utilize the Fire Official for such inspection purposes).



The local inspector does have some discretion in interpreting the code and it looks like there are some grey areas. It may also except boilers installed in a non-occupied structure. What if it is not pressurized, does it need a stamp?


http://www.mass.gov/?pageID=eopsterminal&L=4&L0=Home&L1=Consumer+Protection+%26+Business+Licensing&L2=License+Type+by+Business+Area&L3=Home+Improvement+Contractor&sid=Eeops&b=terminalcontent&f=dps_bbrs_feature_heating_nov06_1&csid=Eeops

General Requirements
Solid fuel-burning appliances include: factory-built fireplaces, coal-burning appliances, wood stoves, wood pellet stoves, corn and nut shell-burning pellet stoves, wood-fired boilers and any other solid fuel-burning appliance intended to provide heat to a building or space within a building, as well as certain ancillary components such as factory-built chimneys, vent piping and certain specialized installation components for some products.
In general, solid fuel-burning appliances utilized within the dwelling must be:
I. Listed as tested in accordance with National Safety Standards and labeled for the intended use. Wood burning boilers must be constructed and stamped in accordance with the A.S.M.E. code.
II. Placed a safe and established distance from combustible materials such as wood, draperies, furniture, carpets, wood flooring, etc..
III. Properly vented to the outside of the building.
IV. Installed and operated in accordance with all applicable Building and Boiler Code requirements and those of the appliance manufacturer.
V. Maintained in accordance with the appliance manufacturer’s requirements.


Please note that while new solid fuel burning products without proper listing information may be sold in Massachusetts or New England generally, the installation of these unlisted or improperly listed new products is prohibited by the Building Code. The Building Code does provide an exemption for those products, except boilers, which pre-date the labeling requirement in 1982, however only if these older products are already installed.


One must talk to your local officials and see what they are willing to sign off on.
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun May 11, 2008 7:55 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:What if it is not pressurized, does it need a stamp?


That would be a water heater, not a boiler.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: BomoJim On: Sun May 11, 2008 7:55 pm

Thanks Johnny!! Best part is no sales tax....
BomoJim
 
Stove/Furnace Model: 2BDtermined

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: vtec350 On: Sun May 11, 2008 10:04 pm

Looks like I'll be taking a trip to the building dept. and then to the fire chief on Mon. Glad I didn't order the boiler yet, was going to purchase it on Tuesday, hopefully I can convince them to sign off on it. Only here in Ma. can they make things difficult for us homeowners..Thanks to everyone on this forum for all the great info., might have just saved me a lot of headaches if I bought a boiler I couldn't legally instal.
vtec350
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun May 11, 2008 10:31 pm

vtec350 wrote:Looks like I'll be taking a trip to the building dept. and then to the fire chief on Mon. Glad I didn't order the boiler yet, was going to purchase it on Tuesday, hopefully I can convince them to sign off on it. Only here in Ma. can they make things difficult for us homeowners..Thanks to everyone on this forum for all the great info., might have just saved me a lot of headaches if I bought a boiler I couldn't legally instal.
If they say yes get it in writing. In fact take a letter with you requesting permission and get them to sign it. And make sure the person signing the letter has the authority to do so.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: sauerzbr On: Mon May 12, 2008 7:03 am

I have a Leisure Line Pocono, similar setup to you and past winter which wasn't too bad, I was running 1 50lb bag coal per day. For your house, you might use a little less. I went through 2.5 tons, but could have used 1/2 ton more... So going with 3 ton for coming winter. I'm paying $6 for a 50lb bag, it's more work but much cheaper than putting oil in my tanks.

Good Luck!
sauerzbr
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pocono Top Vent

Re: took the plunge...

PostBy: JohnnyAsbury On: Mon May 12, 2008 3:32 pm

well, if I can heat my house on 3 tons, I will be very happy.
JohnnyAsbury
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: 90 - Direct vent

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