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PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:42 am

Looks great.

I would not bother with the Taco zone control at this time. That would be a good upgrade when you decide to add a zone or two. Use the $250 for coal.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

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PostBy: lzaharis On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:04 pm

I wish I had that much room to work with.

What made you decide not to pull water away from the top of the steam chest ("Pumping Away") of the boilers?? Is it because you have a circulator for each zone?

In my case I have always found the 10 dollar air vents did not last very long and became fouled and that is what made me choose the steel expansion tank with the B+G airtrol valve for my systems air purging for my new system.

I would still have the open to air expansion tank my original heating system came with if I knew better at the time before it was ripped out in 1982.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KAA-4-1 dual fuel boiler
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: kerosene for dual fuel Keystoker

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: Qtown1835 On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:25 pm

lzaharis wrote:
What made you decide not to pull water away from the top of the steam chest ("Pumping Away") of the boilers?? Is it because you have a circulator for each zone?
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Mainly because I was not going to replumb both systems. Each zone has it own circulator and I followed the existing setup.
Qtown1835
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker '81 KA4 (online 1/16/17)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman MKIII
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Rice Lehigh
Other Heating: EFM SPK600

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 12:27 pm

That's a work of art! Nice install!!!
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: Qtown1835 On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:35 pm

Thanks.

This is how I am planning on installing the flue. (Except is will go to the wall) :D going to use HVAC strapping to support the horizontal run.

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker '81 KA4 (online 1/16/17)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman MKIII
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Rice Lehigh
Other Heating: EFM SPK600

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PostBy: CoalisCoolxWarm On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:44 pm

Dat's Purty! 8-)

Do you have any unions in your steel lines? In case you have to tighten some fittings down the line?

Might want to use a strap in the middle of your long water piping, too, quite a bit of weight there.

Nice thing about the zone controller, it can be configured to simply make a TT signal to the boiler- essentially acts like a thermostat.

That means if you do go without it to start, using just a Tstat, it will slip right in there later.

The power distribution to the zones is really convenient and neat wiring. One power line in, each zone goes out.

BTW, I strongly recommend all your wiring be done with armored cable. Not only is it attractive and neat, it passes all the code requirements.

Yes, get the cutting tool, it makes all the difference ;)

Keep going, almost there!
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: old Sears rebuilt, bituminous- offline as of winter 2014
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Buckwheat
Other Heating: Oil Boiler

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PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:21 pm

If you change the oil smoke pipe...
To enter the main Smoke pipe...
At a 90* angle; ie no downward pitch...
It will keep the ash out of the oil smoke pipe... ;)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: Qtown1835 On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:52 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:If you change the oil smoke pipe...
To enter the main Smoke pipe...
At a 90* angle; ie no downward pitch...
It will keep the ash out of the oil smoke pipe... ;)


I wasn't planning on keeping the oil stack hooked up since I only have 1 flue
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker '81 KA4 (online 1/16/17)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman MKIII
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Rice Lehigh
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Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: CoalisCoolxWarm On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:58 pm

Qtown1835 wrote:I wasn't planning on keeping the oil stack hooked up since I only have 1 flue


Guess I don't have to ask about that now ;)

All the codes I've ever read do not allow solid fuel appliances to share a flue.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: old Sears rebuilt, bituminous- offline as of winter 2014
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Buckwheat
Other Heating: Oil Boiler

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PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:30 pm

If the chimney draft can support it...
Coal and oil can mix...
It was the wood stove chimney fires...
that gave the bad reputation...
Just set it up but cap the oil...
Then be ready to go...
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: Rob R. On: Sun Jan 08, 2017 5:35 pm

CoalisCoolxWarm wrote:
Qtown1835 wrote:I wasn't planning on keeping the oil stack hooked up since I only have 1 flue


Guess I don't have to ask about that now ;)

All the codes I've ever read do not allow solid fuel appliances to share a flue.


I have said this many times - it is too bad anthracite gets lumped in the same category as creosote producing wood.

I would hook them both up, but it all depends what you are comfortable with...and if you want that extra 2% in efficiency from not having the stack on the oil boiler. :)
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: Qtown1835 On: Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:54 am

Down to the final stretch getting things buttoned up. Working on getting everything wired up as time permits. Am I on the right track here? Using the old S400A stoker timer that came with the unit.

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Thoughts?
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker '81 KA4 (online 1/16/17)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman MKIII
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Rice Lehigh
Other Heating: EFM SPK600

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PostBy: McGiever On: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:22 pm

Timer clock motor (1) needs constant L1, but after timer's N/O (4) can then have B1 to join in. No field wire on (3)
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: KA4 project (pic heavy)

PostBy: Qtown1835 On: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:29 pm

McGiever wrote:Timer clock motor (1) needs constant L1, but after timer's N/O (4) can then have B1 to join in.


OK. I was thinking that the timer would need to be tied into the high limit such that if boiler is to temp it will not close the timer relay. ?

Based on what you are saying it should look more like this.
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Edit. After looking at it. I think i need to remove the common from terminal 3 and it will work as you suggested.
Qtown1835
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker '81 KA4 (online 1/16/17)
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman MKIII
Coal Size/Type: Nut & Rice Lehigh
Other Heating: EFM SPK600

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PostBy: McGiever On: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:40 pm

A Honeywell L6006 (N/C) can be added in a port/well and do H/HL in series w/ motor lead hot, but after timer...both Closed will allow stoker motor. By adding L6006 you can set to higher setting...~205*F.

If timer broke w/ contacts Closed you would not have a run-away boiler w/ this Safety.

Has to be wired in Series and After Timer to be a back-up Safety.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
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