Newbie!

Re: Newbie!

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu May 15, 2008 8:14 am

Freddy wrote:I just ordered an Axeman Anderson 130.


You could not have bought a better boiler, it is the only one that comes with Lucifer's seal of approval. :)
The fires of Hell are stoked with anthracite, I can't think of a better endorsement.

Put it in the basement, if you want heat in the garage you could put a hot water coil and fan in there and heat it up quick when you want to and shut it off when you don't.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
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Re: Newbie!

PostBy: bscritch On: Thu May 15, 2008 8:18 am

As the first post mentioned, I did lose my first home to a fire....they believe it may have been my car, but I was not privy to a lot of what was going on with the investigation. So any flame in or around the house does make us step back at times! We won't even burn candles any more....which brings me to a point that someone made about putting the boiler in another building. I have a 14' x 20' out building about 60' from my house.....completely weather proof...it is actually drywalled and insulated, but only has a ceiling height of about 7'6" - has electricity and sits on 4x4 skids on a gravel base, but essentially is unused (at least for now). I guess that would be an option as well...I would also guess that I could run a metal flue for a boiler versus a masonary chimney.....Not sure how you pipe hot water from a building to the house....do you exit pipes out the side of the building?? I really like the idea of having everything away from the house, and I would have plenty of storage in and around another outbuilding for bulk coal....now we are talking!!

So, can a boiler use a stainless Class A flue??

I really need to start looking at the boilers you all have recommended. I know that my brother just bought a AHS coal gun and loves it! Seemed pretty pricey with all the farkles that he added, but heats his house and garage very well!!

Cheers!
Brian
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Re: Newbie!

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu May 15, 2008 9:42 am

Hello Brian, if you follow the lead of your brother you won't be unhappy with the AHS s130 coalgun, or the very similar Axeman Anderson 130m boiler. But the other boilers deserve a look too. If you want to see a remote boiler opperation, heat exchangers, underground piping etc.. and want to take a road trip, I'm about 4 hours north of you, just south of Flint Michigan. You are welcome to come up for a 'look-see'.

How big is your brother's house, is it similar to your's ? How much was his instalation??

Greg L.
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Re: Newbie!

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu May 15, 2008 2:26 pm

Freddy wrote:Great idea! I just ordered an Axeman Anderson 130. I was going to put it in the garage, but the wife decided it's better to put it in the house than to dig up 18 inches of her flower garden. :) If I had done more research I might have ordered an EFM. I think either one is the Caddy-Lack of boilers, although I like the idea that the design of the AA is twenty some years newer than the EFM. *smile* I think the EFM was designed in 1922ish and the Axeman 1944. A lot can happen with twenty years of progress!

No matter how much you invest in a system, at over $4 a gallon for oil, it won't be long before the coal pays you back.
Just how handy are you? It would be a project, but maybe a decent machanic could be walked through a boiler instalation.
Well I guess you could look at it that way But remember that EFM designed the underfed stoker and blower Assembly for the old hand fed Furnaces back in the early teen's & twenty's to make them auto fed and they also made a auto ash remover witch fed the coal in one side and removed the ash on the other side The boiler did not come until later General machinery co.was there first contractor bolier maker in 30's I believe is was 1936 when EFM bought them EFM also used Fritzgibbin & lowline to make the boiler There where alot more companies using and making EFM underfed stoker design then any other design Iron fireman Van wert Bear O matic Gentlemen janitor Allentown Automatic stoker co. witch made the lowline & The Wagner models Just to name a few so that should tell you something about the EFM design and way they still use there design you do not fix something when it is not broken And has provine to work for almost 100 years If you take in the acount that some of there patents go back to 1908 a under fed will burn any grade of Anthracite more completely then any other design they are much easier to adjust the fed rate & air flow there not as picky when it comes
to qaulity of coal they just work aslong as the operator does his or her Part as far as maintenance goes
That goes for any design so for me I will stick with the underfed design The Eashland design AA & AHS are good design aswell but the are a little more Picky when it comes to Qaulity of the coal they like to spit out alot of unburned coal & burp when coal is fresh and they do not have as much adjustment as far as feed rate and air adjustment goes and there can be ashpan rollers issue and With the auger feed you will have more noise Pea size coal will make some noise when it is going threw a 5" tube But other then these miner problems they are a good unit So you should have it for a lifetime and then some ;)
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Re: Newbie!

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu May 15, 2008 3:03 pm

bscritch wrote: So any flame in or around the house does make us step back at times! We won't even burn candles any more....which brings me to a point that someone made about putting the boiler in another building.


House fires caused by a coal stoker is a non-issue. Actually I've never heard of one and I live in an area where many people use coal to heat their homes so you can put your mind at ease as far as that is concerned. Truthfully I cannot think of realistic situation where a fire could be caused by stoker furnace. The fire is encased in very thick steel. The only real safety concern with a coal boiler is the same one you have with anything burns a fuel and that is CO. It's little more of concern with coal because when you burn coal it produces fly ash which will eventually plug up the flue pipe if not attended too. For larger boiler you have to clean this out once a year.
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Re: Newbie!

PostBy: Freddy On: Thu May 15, 2008 4:43 pm

All good points Coalberner. *smile* I justhafta protect my own ya know!

Now that you mention the auto ash removal, I'll bet that's what my boss had way back when. The one reason I gave coal a thought is because I saw him heat his house with it back inthe 60's & 70's. I don't remember much, except the machine took coal from a large bin and the ashes came out by themselves through steel tubes and elbowed into two 30 gallon galvanized steel trash cans. He'd empty one or both cans as needed. Almost had to have been an EFM! If not for seeing that in operation I'm sure I'd have stayed with oil, or gone with wood (again). I burned wood for years and years, but got tired of all the work involved. I don't mind some work, but if I can avoid it, I do!
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
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Re: Newbie!

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu May 15, 2008 11:50 pm

Freddy wrote:All good points Coalberner. *smile* I justhafta protect my own ya know!

Now that you mention the auto ash removal, I'll bet that's what my boss had way back when. The one reason I gave coal a thought is because I saw him heat his house with it back inthe 60's & 70's. I don't remember much, except the machine took coal from a large bin and the ashes came out by themselves through steel tubes and elbowed into two 30 gallon galvanized steel trash cans. He'd empty one or both cans as needed. Almost had to have been an EFM! If not for seeing that in operation I'm sure I'd have stayed with oil, or gone with wood (again). I burned wood for years and years, but got tired of all the work involved. I don't mind some work, but if I can avoid it, I do!

Was the ash can in it's own frame the cans that came with them more Square then round but could of been replaced sometime the ash can sat in a frame I will try to get a picture for you also Losch Boiler company made one to but was a little different them the EFM also if I remember Iron fireman made one to Nothing wrong with what your getting the AA
will give you a long service life aslong as you do your part once a year Don't forget to Put me in your will you will have to leave it to somebody :lol: Let me know when you are ready for coal I can help you get the good stuff ;)
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