Horrible Furnace Problems

Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: LinMar On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 1:56 pm

I purchased a Keystoker hot air furnace two years ago, this will be my 3rd heating season and it's literally falling apart. Last year it was the cam that move the the coal from the hopper into the furnace, ok I can deal with that after all it's made of plastic - Ugh! I just had to shut it down (one of the coldest nights of the season wouldn't you know) because it was burning back up into the hopper full of coal. While cleaning it discovered the plate that sits against the three burners has totally disintegrated. I have done everything they say to do about cleaning and oiling when shutting down for the season and it's literally rusting apart. Contacted the sales person where I bought it, trying to work with the company they say the plates are cast and that shouldn't happen, wish I could post pictures. The whole main part of the furnace it going to crap, I know I won't be able to use it another season. $4 grand for a furnace I only used 1 season before having problems, and no straight answers if any of this stuff is under warranty

Anyone else having this problem? I'm widowed and feel like I have been taken advantage of through this whole thing. I will NEVER recommend this brand of furnace
LinMar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Piece of Junk
Coal Size/Type: Rice


Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 2:30 pm

Welcome to the forum. Sorry to hear you are having such problems.
Pictures would be a big help, so if you can take some, post them as soon as possible. If you scroll down from any window you can type in, you will see how to upload and post them.

You can type your furnace name and model number in the search box at the top right of every page, and be able to search just this forum. The 'advanced search' button just below that will narrow searches by keywords that you choose.
SWPaDon
 
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Clayton 1600M
Coal Size/Type: Bituminous
Other Heating: Oil furnace

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 3:43 pm

What you describe seems like high summer humidity where the furnace is located. You might have to take extra steps like keeping a light bulb burning in the furnace during the summer or spraying down with WD40 or Fluid Film.

Fly ash and high humidity will rust things very quickly.
franco b
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: V ermont Castings 2310, Franco Belge 262
Baseburners & Antiques: Glenwood Modern Oak 114
Coal Size/Type: nut and pea

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 4:51 pm

Routine maintenance, these things are designed to last decades if they get what they need. When unfired is when the gremlins go to work on them.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:03 pm

Some body needs to man up on this! This woman is a widow. She is 5 hours from me so I'm the last resort. Let's go guys!
Scottscoaled
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM 520, 700, Van Wert 800 GJ 61,53
Baseburners & Antiques: Magic Stewart 16, times 2!
Coal Size/Type: Lots of buck
Other Heating: Slant Fin electric boiler backup

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:34 pm

BOLO! ;)

Where is Fillmore, NY?


Can someone explain this plastic thing in a coal stoker to me? :oops:
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: windyhill4.2 On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:41 pm

coaledsweat wrote:BOLO! ;)

Where is Fillmore, NY?


Can someone explain this plastic thing in a coal stoker to me? :oops:


Draw a strait line from Elmira to Buffalo,Fillmore is about 1/2 way between those 2 cities,looks to be out in the boonies.
windyhill4.2
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1960 EFM520 installed in truck box
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Crane 404 with variable blower
Coal Size/Type: 404-nut, 520 rice ,anthracite for both

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 6:51 pm

Population, 603. That is out there.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea


Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: WNY On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:00 pm

Which Keystoker do you have? a True Furnace, like a Koker hooked to your duct work, or a stove?

the routine spring/summer maintenance is a given. Routine cleaning and keeping the gaskets sealed good and keeping an eye on your draft all help keep it running correctly. did you coat the inside with LPS or some protectant in off season, they will rust some on the inside, but it's pretty heavy gauge steel. mine get a little rusty on the inside, but usually doesn't affect the operation.

My Keystoker 90 stove is about 15 years old (bought new) and my leisure line is circa 1995 (bought used). Never had any major problems, except a blower on each. but got them working again after soaking the bushing with oil, i forgot to clean and lube them one season and they seized up.

You're not too far from me, maybe 45 mins.! if you need a hand to check it over, let me know.
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: CoalisCoolxWarm On: Tue Dec 20, 2016 7:05 pm

Which model of Keystoker do you have?
CoalisCoolxWarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: old Sears rebuilt, bituminous- offline as of winter 2014
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Buckwheat
Other Heating: Oil Boiler

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: LinMar On: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:46 am

Thanks everybody; It's a keystoker lite direct vent to my existing chimney. I have done all the maintenance suggested and I even run a dehumidifier in my basement during the summer. I'm getting nowhere with my dealer, seems to be looking for things that I've done wrong. It is what it is and I've learned to accept everything that happens on a day to day basis but I'm totally disappointed in this furnace and would and will never recommend it to anyone. Seriously considering putting my old yukon husky wood furnace back in and buying the coal grates for it; just means I'm back to loading it instead of being able to fill the hopper and let it go for the day.

By the way, if anyone knows where Letchworth State Park is Fillmore is about 15 mins south of that and yes, I am in the boonies when it comes to any kind of services.

I have attached a picture (not very good) it's the cam that moves the feeder belt from the hopper. In the picture it's the piece to the right of the adjustment screw the outside of the cam if metal but also has plastic. Wish I had thought to take a picture of it before it was installed.
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LinMar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Piece of Junk
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: WNY On: Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:53 am

I assume you mean a Koker Lite?

you're not real from me, i;m just down here in Cuba, NY. i know where fillmore and letchworth is.

are you back up and running? or still having problems.

typically the cam is nylon i think for smooth operation, and it will melt if the burn gets too far back and probably shut it down, maybe a safety feature.
Usually happens from a air leak on the grates or too much draft pulling air from the hopper. it does happen, but shouldn't if everything working and sealed properly.

let me know. I have a standard Keystoker 90K, very similar.
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: LinMar On: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:07 am

Thanks Dave, well nylon, plastic looks the same to me LOL. If I can't get anywhere with my dealer (who also supplies my coal) I may contact you to come take a look. My son has got it up and running for now. After reading the warranty that cam should have been replaced by the dealer (wasn't)

ok, let me know! they are not that hard to service and tune up. most operate basically the same. a little different in the pusher blocks/plates/cams on different mfr's, but all operate the same. :)
LinMar
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Piece of Junk
Coal Size/Type: Rice

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: CoalisCoolxWarm On: Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:27 am

LinMar wrote:'m getting nowhere with my dealer, seems to be looking for things that I've done wrong.


I'd first say don't take that personally. Coal stoves *usually* work quite well and reliably unless something is awry. Finding the problem is simply to correct it, not place blame.

I've made plenty of mistakes along the way. Most of us have. But we learn and improve as we go.

Just post up what you have, try to answer what you can, and you'll get good advice that will likely get you going in short order.

BTW, that looks like a really nice park! If it was camping season....but you're about 7hrs from me. Not sure why google thinks it's only 5hrs, it takes me that long to get to Wellsboro, LOL

Hang in there, vent if you need to, and you'll be up and running in no time 8-)
CoalisCoolxWarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KA-6
Hand Fed Coal Furnace: old Sears rebuilt, bituminous- offline as of winter 2014
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Buckwheat
Other Heating: Oil Boiler

Re: Horrible Furnace Problems

PostBy: WNY On: Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:20 am

ok, let me know! they are not that hard to service and tune up. most operate basically the same. a little different in the pusher blocks/plates/cams on different mfr's, but all operate the same. :)
WNY
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Keystoker 90K, Leisure Line Hyfire I
Coal Size/Type: Rice
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker, LL & CoalTrol
Stove/Furnace Model: 90K, Hyfire I, VF3000 Soon