Coal Gun S- 130 Install

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:05 pm

You can do it either way. My resistance boiler is valved off from the coal boiler, and I need to close/open valves when switching from one to the other (which I would only do if I have an out-fire in the AHS Coal Gun, and that almost never happens). Back when I had the oil boiler and the resistance boiler, they were in series and water passed through both of them all the time, and that worked fine also.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Jan 05, 2017 5:45 pm

You'll give up a lot of heat to the chimney of the unused boiler by running the water through both.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: McGiever On: Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:33 pm

Wow, couple things,

OP said electric (resistance) boiler not electric water heater...scalding flesh is a non-issue.

And no electric (resistance) boiler ever had a flue. :)
McGiever
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AXEMAN-ANDERSON 130 "1959"
Coal Size/Type: PEA / ANTHRACITE
Other Heating: Ground Source Heat Pump
Stove/Furnace Make: Hydro Heat /Mega Tek

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: FirstcoalstokerRon On: Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:18 pm

lzaharis wrote:You can plumb them in series, just be sure to have the anti-scald mixing valve installed on the hot water heater "out" line to mix the cold water with it at the desired temperature.

The only major issue would be when the hot water heater fails as you will not have a work around unless you install piping to bypass it BEFORE the mixing valve and before the first faucet to assure no one gets scalded.


As I said I am new to coal as well as posting. I did mean electric hot water boiler not domestic hot water but I see what you all said and its a great help I was thinking I would set it up so the electric boiler will only come on if the fire goes out in the COAL GUN but would have bypass valves incase I was to work on ether one so I could bypass it and use the other alone or in the fall or spring when I needed only a little heat for a short time
FirstcoalstokerRon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S-130
Coal Size/Type: pea/anthracite

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: lsayre On: Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:37 pm

When I had the oil boiler and I was heating with the resistance boiler I did notice that there was some measure of heat going up the chimney via the oil boiler flue. How much is unknown, but it does happen.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: FirstcoalstokerRon On: Thu Jan 05, 2017 8:39 pm

lsayre wrote:When I had the oil boiler and I was heating with the resistance boiler I did notice that there was some measure of heat going up the chimney via the oil boiler flue. How much is unknown, but it does happen.


Thanks lsayre, I can live with a little heat loss as I would only use the resistance boiler "learned new word" when and if I had to go away or the coal boiler crashed. But thanks for all the help I do enjoy reading and learning from you all. After I install the stove pipe to the chimney ill do the hot water piping to the baseboard heaters. I am going to make two zones now and add 3 more later and then ill beg for help with the rest of the install. THANKS AGAIN
FirstcoalstokerRon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S-130
Coal Size/Type: pea/anthracite

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: FirstcoalstokerRon On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 2:18 am

As I already had a baro, T, thimble, elbows and stove pipe, are were 6 inch, I went with 5" to 6" increaser at the breach to the thimble with 6 " stove pipe. I know need 3 screws at each joint should I also use high temperature silicone to seal the joints and is it ok to use 4 screws in each joint ? My baro is a FIELD CONTROLS TYPE RC installed at the thimble I was reading the instructions and read it was for wood and oil did I buy the wrong baro?
FirstcoalstokerRon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S-130
Coal Size/Type: pea/anthracite

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 8:05 am

The baro is fine and 4 screws works. You're good there.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: lzaharis On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:06 pm

You have the correct barometric damper.

The manufacturer of the barometric damper-Field Controls discusses the proper settings in the installation instructions for coal stokers very thoroughly.
lzaharis
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KAA-4-1 dual fuel boiler
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: kerosene for dual fuel Keystoker

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 12:13 pm

I believe the Type M is actually the specified damper, but that said:

After struggling with problems since day one (sticking open) with my type M on my coal Gun, and after seeing the simplicity and superior function of the RC that is on my wood/coal stove (foil covered for wood), I'm planning to put an RC on the Coal Gun after this heating season is over. I already have the new RC on standby for this.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: FirstcoalstokerRon On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:31 pm

lzaharis wrote:You have the correct barometric damper.

The manufacturer of the barometric damper-Field Controls discusses the proper settings in the installation instructions for coal stokers very thoroughly.

Thanks for all the help and I as I said the installation instructions I got don't say anything about coal just wood and oil and as I am very new and still working on the installation I need all the help I can get. BTW anyone know where I can get instructions for my COAL GUN S-130 as I am learning as I go I will feel better if I know its installed right THANKS again for all the help
FirstcoalstokerRon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S-130
Coal Size/Type: pea/anthracite

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: FirstcoalstokerRon On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 3:42 pm

lsayre wrote:I believe the Type M is actually the specified damper, but that said:

After struggling with problems since day one (sticking open) with my type M on my coal Gun, and after seeing the simplicity and superior function of the RC that is on my wood/coal stove (foil covered for wood), I'm planning to put an RC on the Coal Gun after this heating season is over. I already have the new RC on standby for this.


THANKS I FEEL BETTER NOW Ill move onto setting up my hot water zones and piping maybe ill be done by next winter
FirstcoalstokerRon
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S-130
Coal Size/Type: pea/anthracite

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 5:10 pm

The M is rated for coal because it swings both ways to absorb puffbacks. Not really a big deal, I ran an RC for over a decade.

Oh yeah, the M costs about twice as much too! :)
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:39 pm

RC dampers work good on the 4 EFM's I have hooked up.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: coal gun s- 130 install

PostBy: lzaharis On: Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:16 pm

My RC unit has worked very well . I have to wash the small amount of fly ash off of mine when the heating season is over in late may this year for the first time.
lzaharis
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Keystoker KAA-4-1 dual fuel boiler
Coal Size/Type: rice
Other Heating: kerosene for dual fuel Keystoker