CPAP MACHINES

Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:42 am

creek44 wrote:My Doc again recommend a sleep study at my recent visit. Doing an at home sleep study next 2 nights. Received the contraption in the mail today. It costs $300 out of pocket to do which I figured was reasonable enough. We shall see if a machine is in my future.


I'm glad to hear you were able to move ahead with the sleep study. I'm still not convinced that the CPAP is as beneficial for me as they said it would be.

I have extremely "dry mouth" associated with it. My mouth is so dry it becomes literally stuck together and I have to work it open. Fortunately, there is a product you can get in the dental hygiene aisle that helps with that. The dry mouth issue still wakes me several times through out the night with or without . The other thing that wakes me is masks leaking. That is real loud.

I never remember waking due to an apnea issue but I'm I know I'm awake now because of reasons related to the CPAP. I also remain tired mid-day and often require a nap. Fortunately, my job is a split shift so I can work that in.

It's been 4 months now but as I said I'm still not convinced this isn't a just a money producer for the industry.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: creek44 On: Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:36 pm

If it were not for the fact that my younger brother feels that he has benefited greatly from CPAP and that the testing is reasonable, I might not be going down this road. No issues with the first nights test. One more to go. I wore a gizmo strapped to my chest that I would assume has a stretch sensor to monitor breathing, and inputs for a nasal cannula as well as pulse oximeter. If apnea and correspnding low oxygen saturation are demonstrated, I will certainly be trying the CPAP. My brother has to use a full mask as I likely would also. Sorry to hear you are having some issues with leakage and dryness. That would be discouraging. I will be talking to my brother at length regarding his suggestions. I will be mailing the unit back tomorrow and wait to hear from my Doc.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: samhill On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:48 am

Sorry to hear about your problems Lisa, I have better luck with a full face mask than the smaller one that just covers the nose. The straps may just need some adjusting to get rid of some noise & you should get moisture from the water in the unit but I did notice I use a lot less water now that summer/ spring is here. I too never got any renewed energy nor do I think I sleep that much better, guess it depends on the individual. Hope with a little time & adjustment it works out for you.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:03 am

Orrrr, ya just realize ya don't need it.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:25 am

lowfog01 wrote:I have extremely "dry mouth" associated with it ... The other thing that wakes me is masks leaking.

I don't remember whether you said your machine has a heated humidifier or not. With a "pass-over" unheated humidifier I also had extreme dry mouth issues, but the heated humidifier made a huge difference. Still some dryness but not much. The only time I don't put water in the humidifier is on very-humid summer nights.

I use a full face mask (Fisher-Paykel HC431). It has less leakage than any other I have used. But I still have to make the straps uncomfortably tight. Eventually the straps lose their stretchiness by being so tight, and I have to replace the headgear once or twice before the mask gets old enough to replace.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:28 am

samhill wrote:... nor do I think I sleep that much better ...

I can tell how well I'm sleeping by how much I dream.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:30 am

Come on RB--most people actually do NOT dream. Soooo, not a good check point for the mass's--BUT now I'm getting where a lot of your political views come from!! :lol:
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:55 am

creek44 wrote:... pulse oximeter. If apnea and corresponding low oxygen saturation are demonstrated ...

As I understand it, low oxygen saturation is the real danger with sleep apnea -- everyone has some breathing pauses, but it's not a problem if your blood oxygen doesn't drop too much. Counting apneas is fine, but knowing the end result on oxygen saturation is the real proof of how well CPAP is working. My brother pointed me to a recording pulse oximeter -- see link below -- and I was happy to find that (using my CPAP) the oxygen levels stayed good the entire night.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B8 ... UTF8&psc=1

Price was only about $35, way way cheaper than last time I looked for one and they cost ten times that much. Press a button to start it recording, clip it on your finger tip, and let it measure all night. (I did move it from one to another finger/thumb occasionally if it felt too tight.) It comes with a USB cable to load the recorded data to your computer, and software that produced pretty sophisticated graphs and reports.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:16 am

freetown fred wrote:Come on RB--most people actually do NOT dream. Soooo, not a good check point for the mass's

Sorry, Fred, I have to disagree. Practically everybody dreams. There are stages of sleep where dreaming occurs, and people with severe sleep apnea often don't reach those stages.

I just reviewed your posts in this thread, and you have been skeptical of apnea diagnosis and treatment, but apparently don't use a CPAP machine yourself. I understand the skepticism because I went through that denial stage myself -- who wants to admit to a weakness and tie himself to a machine for years? The problem is not obvious to the patient but is frequently obvious to the spouse. And it is, potentially, a very serious health / blood pressure / stroke risk.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:18 am

There are some "minor" operations, stent insertions and the like, purported to fix apnea.
Has anybody here had that done, and what were the results???
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:41 am

rberq wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Come on RB--most people actually do NOT dream. Soooo, not a good check point for the mass's

Sorry, Fred, I have to disagree. Practically everybody dreams. There are stages of sleep where dreaming occurs, and people with severe sleep apnea often don't reach those stages.

I just reviewed your posts in this thread, and you have been skeptical of apnea diagnosis and treatment, but apparently don't use a CPAP machine yourself. I understand the skepticism because I went through that denial stage myself -- who wants to admit to a weakness and tie himself to a machine for years? The problem is not obvious to the patient but is frequently obvious to the spouse. And it is, potentially, a very serious health / blood pressure / stroke risk.


Just because you don’t remember dreaming doesn’t mean you’re not doing it! You generally dream at least four to six times per night, usually during the most active REM stage of sleep if you’re over 10 years old.


https://sleep.org/articles/how-often-dreams/
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 10:40 am

Actually, ye who thinks he is the knower of all things, I was diagnosed with COPD, asthma, & emphazima by a --scuse me--(dot-head doc)-- who insisted I do a sleep test--ironically, after seeing 2 actual docs with--wait for it----documentation--they found NONE of the above diagnosed problems & told me not to fall for what has become a catch all for the Pharm's & doc's.$$$$$$$$$$$$ I ALWAYS get a 2nd & sometimes a 3rd opinion & strongly suggest others do that---just sayin. AND, JJ, as for dreaming-- more confirmation of where/who comes up with so many bizzare political ideas. Thank you! :D
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: warminmn On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:21 am

Strangely, and since the date is 4-20, people that smoke a lot of weed are claimed not to be dreamers... but when they stop they dream more. So light up if you dream too much :lol:

Myself, I dream a lot, thankfully not many bad dreams. Short quick dreams it seems like. I was diagnosed with apnea a few years ago but never went back to follow up visits... I figured it was stress from a job. the (job) stress is now gone but I still wake up a lot, blah blah blah, loud noises when waking, blah blah, so I guess i might as well go back for more tests.

I agree Fred, a 2nd or 3rd opinion is important. There are way to many mis-diagnosed illnesses out there, even by good doctors and apnea is one of them.

Thanks rberg, I may order one of those contraptions. I have used ones from the hospital before. Quite a cheap way of self testing.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:47 pm

warminmn wrote:... blah blah blah, loud noises when waking, blah blah, so I guess i might as well go back for more tests ... Thanks rberg, I may order one of those contraptions. I have used ones from the hospital before. Quite a cheap way of self testing.

Yes, I don't know why a recording pulse oximeter isn't the FIRST level of apnea testing, since they are now so inexpensive and can be self-administered. If the oximeter shows problems, further tests may be warranted. But if not, why go looking further?

I had to spend a couple hours with the software to figure out how to make the graphs more readable, and which reports were most useful. I have a feeling the software was developed to work with far-more-expensive equipment, so it was a real bargain to have it included with a $35 oximeter. I'd recommend the specific brand of oximeter I linked to, simply because I have no idea what software would come with a different brand.
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Re: CPAP MACHINES

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:09 am

Use a full mask and had dry mouth issues...
even with the heated/humidified cpap...
Chin strap solved the issue...
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