Hotblast Year 3

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 7:51 pm

you can see light up thru so you must have opened it up some
It's pretty clean, Lightning.

Fred, I clean out my pipes (and my chimney using the vac blow out method) pretty regularly.
I bet, around once a month.

Those pics of my pipes a number of pages back were after only a month (approximately) of burning.

Before today, I thought I was adequately doing the job.

This becomes problematic from a logistical standpoint.
It's often difficult to get on a roof during the winter due to snow.

Running a brush down the chimney 3 or 4 times a winter will be nearly impossible.

My son hates roofs.
If I still had shingles, I'd still go up even though I'm not as nimble as I once was.

Don't want to pay a sweep every month


 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 7:53 pm

Is there no way to put the brush UP thru the clean out door opening ?

 
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Post by SWPaDon » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 7:59 pm

windyhill4.2 wrote:Years ago we burned wood in a wood stove hooked to a 35 foot stainless liner inside the brick chimney. We were told by the installer that a chimney fire in that liner was nothing to worry about as it would clean out the creosote & be fine. I am not familiar with the soot of burning bit coal,could wood be used periodically to "burn" the soot out of the liner ? Safely ? Or would burning wood periodically raise the stack temp enough to prevent soot build up ??
I personally have never had any luck at burning out soot by using wood.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:05 pm

I'm just thinkin ONE good sweep on that SS liner com spring wouldn't hurt. Bottom line is that the way your set up may just never work well with BIT. Not tryin to sound like the grimm reaper but it is what it is.

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:11 pm

Wishing for a 9" flue is like hoping a unicorn will fly by and poop gold skittles.
:lol:

I mean no disrespect for Berlin or his knowledge but why does the stove manufacturer and installers recommend 6" pipe?
I could have gotten a larger liner (and would have) when I was doing the project if these sources indicated it.

Hard to change this horse in the middle of the stream.

I will seal those little gaps tomorrow before I put my pipes back on, Don.
I promise, mom!!!!
:)
Right now, I have aluminum foil covering the baro.
Sufficient, or do I need to find a cap for that Tee and remove the baro?

 
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Post by scalabro » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:17 pm

freetown fred wrote:I'm just thinkin ONE good sweep on that SS liner com spring wouldn't hurt. Bottom line is that the way your set up may just never work well with BIT. Not tryin to sound like the grimm reaper but it is what it is.
A known clean & leak free chimney is a good place to start, :lol:

 
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Post by SWPaDon » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:22 pm

larryfoster wrote:Wishing for a 9" flue is like hoping a unicorn will fly by and poop gold skittles.
:lol:

I mean no disrespect for Berlin or his knowledge but why does the stove manufacturer and installers recommend 6" pipe?
I could have gotten a larger liner (and would have) when I was doing the project if these sources indicated it.

Hard to change this horse in the middle of the stream.

I will seal those little gaps tomorrow before I put my pipes back on, Don.
I promise, mom!!!!
:)
Right now, I have aluminum foil covering the baro.
Sufficient, or do I need to find a cap for that Tee and remove the baro?
As far as I'm concerned, remove the 'T' entirely. Just use the MPD. It's all I've been using for years and have never had a problem.

Ok, 'son' ? ;) :)

EDIT: The manufacturer recommends 6 inch, because the furnace is a 'woodburner' first. Coal was an afterthought.
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Post by corey » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:26 pm

With that type bit I'd say you will be cleaning that liner a lot just the nature of the coal....... I'd say that furnace will run better now.

 
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Post by freetown fred » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:30 pm

+1
SWPaDon wrote:
larryfoster wrote:Wishing for a 9" flue is like hoping a unicorn will fly by and poop gold skittles.
:lol:

I mean no disrespect for Berlin or his knowledge but why does the stove manufacturer and installers recommend 6" pipe?
I could have gotten a larger liner (and would have) when I was doing the project if these sources indicated it.

Hard to change this horse in the middle of the stream.

I will seal those little gaps tomorrow before I put my pipes back on, Don.
I promise, mom!!!!
:)
Right now, I have aluminum foil covering the baro.
Sufficient, or do I need to find a cap for that Tee and remove the baro?
As far as I'm concerned, remove the 'T' entirely. Just use the MPD. It's all I've been using for years and have never had a problem.

Ok, 'son' ? ;) :)

EDIT: The manufacturer recommends 6 inch, because the furnace is a 'woodburner' first. Coal was an afterthought.

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:33 pm

Is there no way to put the brush UP thru the clean out door opening ?
I have a 90 about 18" in.
I use a rope to pull the brush down from the top.
I don't know what I would use but open to suggestions.
I'm just thinkin ONE good sweep on that SS liner com spring wouldn't hurt.
After today, I agree 100%
Bottom line is that the way your set up may just never work well with BIT. Not tryin to sound like the grimm reaper but it is what it is
That feeling has been growing every day since I started using this furnace 3 years ago.

I hoped to save some money on propane when I put this furnace in and I do.
But not that much money.
Especially for the hassle.

I did an eyeball guess of my coal usage this year.
I got 3 tons to start and (eyeball guess) I've burned 2/3rds of it.

I didn't really start burning until the second week in December.
I'm guessing I've burned @100 gallons of propane too.
Maybe a little less

 
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Post by mntbugy » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:37 pm

burning high vol bit now in W.M. Getting good info. Fix leaky pipes. Must clean first 4 foot of pipe once a month(6 in) sooted up. The soot will burn in flue pipe for
just seconds then goes out just as fast. Burns like gas, then wood, then coal, then Magnesium(coke) white hot. Keep ash on grate. My 2 cent

This is a very long read.

 
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Post by SWPaDon » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:43 pm

Don't be disheartened, Larry. You've learned a lot on this round. A whole lot actually.

Now is the time to fix all known leaks, as you can see how critical it is.

Change the tending schedule and be sure to watch the secondary air, it is needed but must be monitored to get the right amount for your particular coal.

Clean the chimney with the brush at least once a year.

Don't use the shopvac. Get an electric leafblower if you want to, it will have a whole lot more power.
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Post by larryfoster » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:45 pm

A known clean & leak free chimney is a good place to start, :lol:
I believe we have a clean chimney.
Looked good to me looking up with the mirror today.

My pipes don't leak from the stove to the chimney.
After tomorrow, I will have what leaks I can find and get to sealed.

I'm still leaning to Fred's assessment that this furnace will continue to be a source of frustration, aggravation and under performance.
burning high vol bit now in W.M. Getting good info. Fix leaky pipes. Must clean first 4 foot of pipe once a month(6 in) sooted up. The soot will burn in flue pipe for
just seconds then goes out just as fast. Burns like gas, then wood, then coal, then Magnesium(coke) white hot. Keep ash on grate. My 2 cent

This is a very long read
If you get bored, I have other parts of War and Peace linked in my opening post.
:roll:

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:48 pm

Not many folks used to reading a full length book anymore ? ;)
Seems like most get upset or confused if a thread goes over 3 pages !! ;) ;) ;)

Good things take time . :)

 
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Post by larryfoster » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:52 pm

I do want to be sure I'm clear about one thing.

I really, really appreciate everyone's help and patience.

None of my frustration is here but, only, my furnace.
Not many folks used to reading a full length book anymore ? ;)
Seems like most get upset or confused if a thread goes over 3 pages !! ;) ;) ;)

Good things take time . :)
We could publish these threads combined " Coal Furnaces for Dummies"

I'm hoping we don't get to my last page and say this book was a disappointment


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