It finally feels like winter

It finally feels like winter

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 5:18 am

3 degrees F. and about an inch of snow on the ground. First real winter weather in several weeks around here.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
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Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)


Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:11 am

It does seem like it has been very mild this year, although we have had some terrible wind.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:22 am

Just about an inch of snow here this morning also. I put the chains on the tractor yesterday in case we were surprised and got enough snow to plow, but i won't need to get that out.

For us December 2016 was much colder than 2015. Going by HDD's, in 2015 it was about 475 for the month and in 2016 it was about 830.

But of course, even our "colder" monthly HDD's is probably a week's worth for you guys! :D
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: jpete On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 8:37 am

Yup. First real snow of the year and guess who will be on a roof all day installing a new package unit?

I love my job, I love my job, I love my job.......
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mk II
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Other Heating: Dino juice

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 9:45 am

We've have the first winter weather here, too. We had snow in the forecast but it split and went on either side of the us and DC before rejoining to hit Northern Md. That happens a lot. Some people think it has to do with all the hot air coming from the Capital/White house. I think it's more to do with the Potomac River.

Anyway, it's going to be in the mid 20s this weekend before heading back up to the mid 30s. They are calling for snow but that's probably heading out to sea. We'll be back to the mid 30s by mid week. Lisa
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Mark II & Mark I
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Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: warminmn On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:46 am

The temps have been back and forth here. -14 this morning, 30 next week and last. maybe average temps equaled out. But as Rob mentioned, it has been very windy here too and thats been the bad part so far.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Junior, Efel Nestor Martin, Frankenstove
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Other Heating: wood

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:41 pm

titleist1 wrote:For us December 2016 was much colder than 2015. Going by HDD's, in 2015 it was about 475 for the month and in 2016 it was about 830.

But of course, even our "colder" monthly HDD's is probably a week's worth for you guys! :D


By gummeny, you're right! I just checked the past 3 Decembers HDD's for my location, and they are:

December 2014 = 976 HDD's
December 2015 = 705 HDD's
December 2016 = 1,103 HDD's

December 2016 was the coldest in the past 3 years. Mild but colder is how I must sum this up.

It looks like on average I get about 40% more HDD's than you do. But then Rob gets about 25% more HDD's than I get by my reckoning.

Statistical long term average annual HDD's here on my hill at 1,200 ft. elevation are ~6,500, based upon 20 years of records for nearby Chippewa Lake (also at 1,200 ft.). About 25 or 30 miles from here in Akron they only get about 6,350 annual HDD's. So this shows that HDD's can vary quite a bit over regional zones that are not all that far apart.

Statistical trivia: In these parts (at least) the coldest day of the year (on average, long term) comes precisely 1 month after the shortest day of the year, and the warmest day of the year comes precisely 1 month after the longest day of the year.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: Rob R. On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:59 pm

What do you guys use for a base temperature when looking up degree days? 65?

lsayre wrote:But then Rob gets about 25% more HDD's than I get by my reckoning.


I think it depends on when you do the comparison. For 10/1 to 1/1 we are probably pretty close. Lake Champlain holds back the frost for quite a while, but when the lake finally freezes over and the real cold weather shows up, I think you would see more of a difference. Same thing in April when I am still living next to a big ice cube.

December 2015 - 839 DD.
December 2016 - 1146 DD.

Both are with a base temp. of 65, and both were much milder than some of the Decembers I can remember. When it goes below zero for a week or two in December, that really sets the stage for a long winter.
Rob R.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: EFM DF520
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Hitzer 50-93
Coal Size/Type: Lehigh Rice
Other Heating: Dad's 1953 EFM Highboy


Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:16 pm

My figures are for base 65 degrees. I was guessing that you are on the high side of 8,000 annual HDD's.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: SWPaDon On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:19 pm

Only got about 4 inches of the white fluffy stuff here. Was about 15 degrees this AM.

With that said, Titleist, Larry and Rob..........I'll put a call into Michael Mann at Penn State to get those numbers corrected via his hockey stick post haste. Can't have numbers like that getting out there :eek2: :funny: toothy
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Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: titleist1 On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:36 pm

I use the weather underground historical data for a site near us which uses 65 as the base temp for HDD's.

I remembered Dec 2015 being real warm because i did a roof job in shorts and a t shirt over two weekends before Christmas.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: lsayre On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:00 pm

warminmn wrote:The temps have been back and forth here. -14 this morning, 30 next week and last. maybe average temps equaled out. But as Rob mentioned, it has been very windy here too and thats been the bad part so far.


-14, now that's real winter!
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: warminmn On: Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:39 pm

lsayre wrote:
warminmn wrote:The temps have been back and forth here. -14 this morning, 30 next week and last. maybe average temps equaled out. But as Rob mentioned, it has been very windy here too and thats been the bad part so far.


-14, now that's real winter!


Im in the warmest part of the state :lol: You couldnt pay me to move more north. But 30 again this coming week. it will feel like summer.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: Chubby Junior, Efel Nestor Martin, Frankenstove
Coal Size/Type: nut and stove anthracite. Soft coal
Other Heating: wood

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Jan 07, 2017 7:34 am

1 degree here right now. Lowest temp overnight was -1.5 degrees at ~1:15 AM. I'm figuring this is good for about 85-90 lbs. of coal usage per day.

The most I ever burned in a single day was 105 lbs. It hit a low of -17 degrees on that day, with a high of 6 degrees.
lsayre
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: AHS S130 Coal Gun
Coal Size/Type: Blaschak Anthracite Pea
Other Heating: Resistance Boiler (13.5 KW)

Re: It finally feels like winter

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sat Jan 07, 2017 8:24 am

They're guessing we'll get 3" today, there is the smell of snow in the air this morning. 24* here now, the temps stayed between 29 and 23 through the day and night. The clock i have connected with the stoker indicates it ran about 11 hours in the last 24 hours keeping the place at 69*. I have yet to run a test with the workshop stoker to see how many lbs get pushed per hour so I can translate run time into lbs of coal.
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Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Harman Mag Stoker (old style) one in basement, one in workshop
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Mark III on standby for long power outages
Coal Size/Type: Rice/Anthracite; Nut/Anthracite