The NEW 2017 DS Stove Stoker Boiler ***UNDER_FED***

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 5:27 pm

scrapper_23jr wrote:Well the good bad and the ugly have come out of the woodwork on this one. Received lots of positive feedback on this unit on the forum , e. mails, phone calls, Facebook and people who stop at the shop. Anyone who has experience AND THE KEY WORD IS EXPERIENCE with burning underfed pot type stokers will understand what we tried to do with the design of this unit. Cant please everyone SCRAPPER
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The more I look at this unit & the longer I think about it & compare to my EFM520,the more I like it. :)

SCRAPPER, is this unit as quiet or quieter than the EFM ??

I am thinking that that fire view door would make this unit a good candidate to sit in my living room in place of my Crane hand fed stove. :) toothy


 
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Post by scrapper_23jr » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 5:45 pm

She is quiet, we did a run of ten and put them out to people who are familiar with underfed units, we hooked the initial unit up to the floor heat at D.S. and ran it non stop 24-7 for 3 months, I mean we beat the balls off this unit and couldn't hurt it. I really have to thank STEVIE,DAVE , and DAVE sr. for working with me on this unit, a great bunch of guys to work with. I am looking forward to see the outcome of this unit SCRAPPER

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:22 pm

scrapper_23jr wrote:She is quiet, we did a run of ten and put them out to people who are familiar with underfed units, we hooked the initial unit up to the floor heat at D.S. and ran it non stop 24-7 for 3 months, I mean we beat the balls off this unit and couldn't hurt it. I really have to thank STEVIE,DAVE , and DAVE sr. for working with me on this unit, a great bunch of guys to work with. I am looking forward to see the outcome of this unit SCRAPPER
Thanks :D :up:

 
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Post by anthony7812 » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 8:27 pm

scrapper_23jr wrote:She is quiet, we did a run of ten and put them out to people who are familiar with underfed units, we hooked the initial unit up to the floor heat at D.S. and ran it non stop 24-7 for 3 months, I mean we beat the balls off this unit and couldn't hurt it. I really have to thank STEVIE,DAVE , and DAVE sr. for working with me on this unit, a great bunch of guys to work with. I am looking forward to see the outcome of this unit SCRAPPER
That's awesome news, from just seeing pictures I was worried of the rings. Hard to tell what type of metal is used by just a picture. Good to hear it's field test proven.

 
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Post by CoalHeat » Sat. Jan. 21, 2017 10:17 pm

Absolutely fantastic! :D

 
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Post by lzaharis » Mon. Jan. 23, 2017 8:51 am

The key word may be "experience" and that is why the Electric Fireman and Axeman Anderson and Keystoker units are built the way they are. The VanWert Folks in Peckville were victims of the economy from what I was told when I called an operating machine shop in Peckville, Pennsylvania inquiring of them 7 plus years ago.

With above mentioned units with the exception of the Keystokers you are using single phase low voltage power 110-220 volt AC voltage with a belt drive powering the combustion fan and the parasitic load being the gear drive for the coal auger in the Electric Fireman underfed stoker and open auger in the Axeman Anderson stoker feeding its hopper.

The Keystoker units differ in the method of coal delivery using a pusher plate with a gravity fed vertical hopper and a perforated flat grate for the combustion air.

They use a transformer powered motor with reduction gear driven pusher plate with a nylon cam and a separate squirrel cage fan for combustion air.

With 110 Volt or 220 volt single phase power distribution to a heating appliance you still have a hot leg, neutral returning 110 or 220 volts to complete the circuit with an earth ground.

In England/Great Britain they use 220 volt single phase for all power in residence and they simply sell appliances without a plug as some areas in their country use different styles of male plugs
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About the D.S. underfed stokers; I would like to know if these underfed pots rings were made from castings and then machined or cut from Hardox tube stock and then machined and whether the support legs of each ring were milled out of the casting, or Hardox steel tubing was used to make the combustion pots rings.

My other question is whether they will be seeking an ASME stamp in the near future as insurance companies are becoming more and more concerned about heating appliances.

 
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Post by CoalisCoolxWarm » Mon. Jan. 23, 2017 10:49 am

I am pleased to see new products and innovations in the "simplifying coal usage" field :punk:


 
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Post by McGiever » Mon. Jan. 23, 2017 11:04 am

CoalisCoolxWarm wrote:I am pleased to see new products and innovations in the "simplifying coal usage" field :punk:
X2, Not that old products are anything inferior, just that today any product that "stands still" will likely really be falling behind.
Technology cannot be ignored for long or catching up thoughts are out of reach for those w/ second thoughts to go ahead and get in late. :idea:

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Mon. Jan. 23, 2017 5:46 pm

I would just like to say that I would buy one of these D.S. units in a heartbeat just simply because I know the man who helped on the project. He has every right to talk about experience...the guy has more damn experience in his little finger than half the people on this coal forum. The man FORGOT more about coal stoker boilers OF ALL MAKES than most of us will ever KNOW. :shock:

I am all for running old school... you ought to see some of this outdated junk we own and work with.

HOWEVER... Bethlehem steel kept right on producing steel in the 1980's the same way they did at the turn of the century,new processes kept coming but they refused to update. How did that work out for them?

Technology moves quickly my friends, change is imminent.

Scrapper, you guys built one hell of a boiler here, a job well done in my humble opinion. :yes:

 
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Post by CoalHeat » Mon. Jan. 23, 2017 9:05 pm

CoalJockey wrote:I would just like to say that I would buy one of these D.S. units in a heartbeat just simply because I know the man who helped on the project. He has every right to talk about experience...the guy has more damn experience in his little finger than half the people on this coal forum. The man FORGOT more about coal stoker boilers OF ALL MAKES than most of us will ever KNOW. :shock:

I am all for running old school... you ought to see some of this outdated junk we own and work with.

HOWEVER... Bethlehem steel kept right on producing steel in the 1980's the same way they did at the turn of the century,new processes kept coming but they refused to update. How did that work out for them?

Technology moves quickly my friends, change is imminent.

Scrapper, you guys built one hell of a boiler here, a job well done in my humble opinion. :yes:
Agreed and well said.

 
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Post by coal berner » Tue. Jan. 24, 2017 6:50 pm

lzaharis wrote:The key word may be "experience" and that is why the Electric Fireman and Axeman Anderson and Keystoker units are built the way they are. The VanWert Folks in Peckville were victims of the economy from what I was told when I called an operating machine shop in Peckville, Pennsylvania inquiring of them 7 plus years ago.

With above mentioned units with the exception of the Keystokers you are using single phase low voltage power 110-220 volt AC voltage with a belt drive powering the combustion fan and the parasitic load being the gear drive for the coal auger in the Electric Fireman underfed stoker and open auger in the Axeman Anderson stoker feeding its hopper.

The Keystoker units differ in the method of coal delivery using a pusher plate with a gravity fed vertical hopper and a perforated flat grate for the combustion air.

They use a transformer powered motor with reduction gear driven pusher plate with a nylon cam and a separate squirrel cage fan for combustion air.

With 110 Volt or 220 volt single phase power distribution to a heating appliance you still have a hot leg, neutral returning 110 or 220 volts to complete the circuit with an earth ground.

In England/Great Britain they use 220 volt single phase for all power in residence and they simply sell appliances without a plug as some areas in their country use different styles of male plugs
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

About the D.S. underfed stokers; I would like to know if these underfed pots rings were made from castings and then machined or cut from Hardox tube stock and then machined and whether the support legs of each ring were milled out of the casting, or Hardox steel tubing was used to make the combustion pots rings.

My other question is whether they will be seeking an ASME stamp in the near future as insurance companies are becoming more and more concerned about heating appliances.
What the HELL is a Electric Fireman

 
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Post by lzaharis » Tue. Jan. 24, 2017 7:15 pm

Sorry I ment ElectricFurnaceMan, not fireman. :oops: :oops: :oops:

 
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Post by CoalJockey » Tue. Jan. 24, 2017 8:16 pm

coal berner wrote:
lzaharis wrote:The key word may be "experience" and that is why the Electric Fireman and Axeman Anderson and Keystoker units are built the way they are. The VanWert Folks in Peckville were victims of the economy from what I was told when I called an operating machine shop in Peckville, Pennsylvania inquiring of them 7 plus years ago.

With above mentioned units with the exception of the Keystokers you are using single phase low voltage power 110-220 volt AC voltage with a belt drive powering the combustion fan and the parasitic load being the gear drive for the coal auger in the Electric Fireman underfed stoker and open auger in the Axeman Anderson stoker feeding its hopper.

The Keystoker units differ in the method of coal delivery using a pusher plate with a gravity fed vertical hopper and a perforated flat grate for the combustion air.

They use a transformer powered motor with reduction gear driven pusher plate with a nylon cam and a separate squirrel cage fan for combustion air.

With 110 Volt or 220 volt single phase power distribution to a heating appliance you still have a hot leg, neutral returning 110 or 220 volts to complete the circuit with an earth ground.

In England/Great Britain they use 220 volt single phase for all power in residence and they simply sell appliances without a plug as some areas in their country use different styles of male plugs
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

About the D.S. underfed stokers; I would like to know if these underfed pots rings were made from castings and then machined or cut from Hardox tube stock and then machined and whether the support legs of each ring were milled out of the casting, or Hardox steel tubing was used to make the combustion pots rings.

My other question is whether they will be seeking an ASME stamp in the near future as insurance companies are becoming more and more concerned about heating appliances.
What the HELL is a Electric Fireman
Hey J.C.--Where the HELL have you been???

He is back! :woot: :dancing: :clap:

 
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Post by windyhill4.2 » Tue. Jan. 24, 2017 8:23 pm

CoalJockey wrote:
Hey J.C.--Where the HELL have you been???

He is back! :woot: :dancing: :clap:
I was thinking the same thing when I read his post,in fact I reread the date of the thread to make sure. I believe this is the 1st post I have seen him post since I joined.

It took a newly designed stoker boiler to bring him back ;) :)

 
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Post by CapeCoaler » Tue. Jan. 24, 2017 9:34 pm

Nice to see ya postin' jc...
Electric fireman, lol...
Shocked him into posting... ;)
It has been a long time...
I had three kids since he last posted... :shock:
And it is a nice looking stoker...
does it burn bit...
EFM did some testing with bit...


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