Antique Vs. Modern Coal Burners

Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: KingCoal On: Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:25 pm

scalabro wrote:Hahaha! Yes..... if I cruised my C40 @ 400 it would do the same. Maybe I should install another chimney then I could idle both!


Hmmmmm, i'm starting to get an unusual series of obsessive itchiness .......................
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: scalabro On: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:14 pm

Unusual? Who are you trying to kid ? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: KingCoal On: Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:25 am

OK ya got me.

I AM an old " hoosierbilly " and I DO routinely stand around scatchin my butt........

this is diffurnt.
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:24 am

scalabro wrote:Hahaha! Yes..... if I cruised my C40 @ 400 it would do the same. Maybe I should install another chimney then I could idle both!

I vote another chimney and another stove :D with a nice tread with lots of pics of course.....................
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:26 am

Canaan coal man wrote:
scalabro wrote:Hahaha! Yes..... if I cruised my C40 @ 400 it would do the same. Maybe I should install another chimney then I could idle both!

I vote another chimney and another stove :D with a nice tread with lots of pics of course.....................


Seconded ! :D

Paul
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:25 pm

Hey Scott, don't you have a Stewart with extra tall barrel you need to try out?
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: oldbetsy On: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:11 pm

hello. I know this is a thread jack but does anyone have something to say about a vigilant 1. I have a chance to get one for a good price . but I don't wanna jump into something that I would regret. thanks chris
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: franco b On: Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:31 pm

oldbetsy wrote:hello. I know this is a thread jack but does anyone have something to say about a vigilant 1. I have a chance to get one for a good price . but I don't wanna jump into something that I would regret. thanks chris


It would need the coal conversion kit to burn coal. Even then precautions have to be taken to seal certain areas for proper air flow. The breech is for 8 inch pipe which makes for extra expense unless converted to 6 inch. Not really recommended.

The next model was a combination stove with coal grates. One member is very happy with it. It does have a very shallow ash pan though.

The last model is the 2310 which is easily recognized by having an extra door for the ash pan between the legs of the stove. It has higher coal capacity and bigger ash pan capacity. This is the preferred model for coal..

The vigilant 1 was a good wood stove in its day but can't compare in efficiency with more modern designs.
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: oldbetsy On: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:18 am

yes the guy said it comes with the coal hopper. it also has the rocker grates in the bottom of the fire box. does not have the ashpan on the outside, need to open doors to empty the pan.

what are expected burn times with the vigilant 1, heating capacity, I've looked but can mostly find info on the vigilant 2.
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: coalnewbie On: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:29 am

That's easy Franco....it's obviously the Crawford 40 Hahahahahahaha Hahahahahahaha!!!

RC Garnet #48 ... unequaled heat output and stunning beauty. It's just Melania vs Rosie. hahahahahaha, whoops,something broke again.
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:53 am

oldbetsy wrote:yes the guy said it comes with the coal hopper. it also has the rocker grates in the bottom of the fire box. does not have the ashpan on the outside, need to open doors to empty the pan.

what are expected burn times with the vigilant 1, heating capacity, I've looked but can mostly find info on the vigilant 2.


As with any stove burn time depends on how fast the available coal burns up. I would expect that stove to easily go 12 hours or more at low output. Not having used the stove myself I can only surmise. Obviously 40 pounds of burning coal at a certain burn rate will last longer than 30 pounds, and it is my guess that is about what the VC 1 will hold burning.

The hopper will extend burning time a bit but it also blocks heat radiation to the top griddle plate so that area of heat exchange will be much cooler than in later models without the hopper. The advantage of the hopper is that it very much shortens tending and recovery time, a very nice feature but also at a cost.

A critical place to have well sealed with gasket is where the doors when closed seal off the ash pan area from the grate area. If not well sealed the combustion air bypasses the grates and exits over the fire. I would guess that the output of the stove is at least one third less than the latest model which is rated at 50,000 BTU when really pushing it. Half that is more realistic. With the Vigilant 1 I would expect to burn about 40 pounds per day, but that is also a guess. Expect to empty the ash pan twice per day.
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: oldbetsy On: Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:47 pm

ok thank you very much for your reply. u said in your last post u knew a member that was very pleased with his vigilant. would u happen to know his user name. maybe pick his brain a little bit.
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Re: Antique vs. modern coal burners

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Feb 21, 2017 11:52 pm

Rich W uses the multi fuel which is the model after the first Vigilant.
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