Trump On Coal

Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:26 pm

Where is oil cheap ? Certainly not around here.

It has to get down to below $1.50 a gallon to be cheaper than coal here. It never got below the low $2.25 last year when some were saying it was so cheap.

I'd have to pay an extra 140.00 a ton over bulk delivery to equal what oil would have cost me.

Paul
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: theo On: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:29 pm

samhill wrote:CS, I haven't seen too many coal fired ships being built, my SinL used to live real close to Elrama power station & it was rumored to close in the 80s, I'm almost positive it is now closed but could be mistaken, they were building a new plant not all that far from there around the same time that was NG powered. Another right up river, was owned by USS, Maple Creek if I am correct, had it's own mine that had some problems with accidents & such & was pretty much played out & remaining coal was too far, they ran tram cars for awhile but finally closed both. They were all Bit being in Western Pa., all things come to an end if it's really progress or not remains to be seen but most modern mining requires a handful of mostly equipment operators, truck drivers & mechanics, nothing like the old high employment days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mini ... ted_States

Sam,,,, Your forgetting about the "Ripple Effect " it all would have
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: Doby On: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:32 pm

did'nt mean it was cheap rather just lower now then in the past, to keep the coal companies thriving at least in my neck off the woods anthracite country they need high oil prices and cold winters, neither has happened in the last couple winters and its starting to hurt them
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:40 pm

We have so much demand here that we have twice as many coal dealers then we had only several years ago. And, it hasn't dropped the price of bagged or bulk either. They are all doing well. Plus, Leighmike has been listing a lot of Leigh's new dealers this year in NYS.

Maybe your local coal guys need to expand more into NY ?

Paul
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: Doby On: Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:47 pm

Leigh may be doing well by expanding its market but talking to the guys that are employed at the local breakers demand is down
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: corey On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:21 am

Why all the negative things about coal??
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: KingCoal On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:41 am

economic realities are negative or positive only according to which side you are viewing from.

no matter which, there are things in your power to do.
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: franpipeman On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:10 am

There are still acidified creek and culm pile still existing from the earlier coal booms in pa. Burning coal in power plants, without regulations results in acid rain and now we are finding ocean acidification . Regulation was just over turned allowing coal industries to use streams for waster deposition, the degree and content of waste i don't know the details

I just installe a propane furnace in daughter house that runs a 98 percent efficiency , with combustion analyzer verified , Factor that in when calculating your cost of coal vs propane.
Im a believer we are in a energy transitional time, and with all change there will be pain and discontentment.
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: joeq On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:09 am

franpipeman wrote:There are still acidified creek and culm pile still existing from the earlier coal booms in pa. Burning coal in power plants, without regulations results in acid rain and now we are finding ocean acidification . Regulation was just over turned allowing coal industries to use streams for waster deposition, the degree and content of waste i don't know the details
.

What type of waste material comes from burning coal, other than ash? I'm not understanding how streams or waterways factor into this. Are power companies shoveling ash into streams, rather than disposing them by other methods? I wouldn't believe (in this day and age), any administration would allow "hazardous waste" to be intentionally and freely deposited into our environment, that would cause harm to the public. Have researchers determined coal waste not to be hazardous? On this site, it's been noted that ash material is benefiial for agricultural purposes. And Blaschac promotes "anthracite" as being the cleanest burning solid fuel out there. I realize most power companies burn bit coal due to it being inexpensive, compared to anthy, and if it is deemed "hazardous", could they be mandated to burn anthy instead? Or would they deem it "financially unfeasible?"
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: KLook On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:25 am

Acid rain was the original boondoggle foisted on the gullible lefty environuts. The volcano in Hawaii is putting out more crap right now then all of mankind combined. Isn't it funny that digging rocks out of the ground and dumping them in a gully is just horrible.....but if nature has a hissy fit and the side of a mountain slides in a gully.....oh well..... Mt. St. Helens should have been the end of the world as we know it.

Kevin
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: corey On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:40 am

KLook wrote:Acid rain was the original boondoggle foisted on the gullible lefty environuts. The volcano in Hawaii is putting out more crap right now then all of mankind combined. Isn't it funny that digging rocks out of the ground and dumping them in a gully is just horrible.....but if nature has a hissy fit and the side of a mountain slides in a gully.....oh well..... Mt. St. Helens should have been the end of the world as we know it.

Kevin


Exactly look at how much volcanic activity releases and people gripe about coal!!
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:04 pm

People just don't get it...
Mother Nature changes the environment more than all the humans combined...
Volcanos spit it out, oceans absorb it, Tsunamis clean the shore and earthquakes make the Mississippi flow backwards!...
Had the same argument with the lefties about driving on the beach...
I would end the argument by promising to take them out to the beach after a good Nor'easter...
When they saw first hand how much the beach changed after just one storm...
The discussion was never had again...
Driving up to a 5 or 6 foot cut made at the high tide line...
that stretched for miles...
Demonstrated the shear power of the environment...
Every winter the sand from the summer beach gets pulled offshore to build a massive winter sand bar...
It is wicked cool to watch as the summer beach gets built up day by day in the spring...
Step in the wrong place and you would sink 3 feet into the newly migrated sand at half tide...
Never wanted to go out fishing in a little boat on the open ocean after my first time seeing this astounding force...
Same thing with Volcanos been inside a bunch of them...
Some hotter than others...
Mt. Vesuvius was kind of scary being an active volcano with live steam vents and very hot rocks!...
It's last big eruption was only 25 years prior and could have a life changing minor one at any moment!... ;)
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: franpipeman On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 3:13 pm

https://pa.water.usgs.gov/projects/ener ... amdmap.gif

damage from mining

I burn coal, lets do what we can to mitigate make it part of the "true cost"
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 5:36 pm

Just for balance and to be fair, are there a maps showing all the damage from using other forms of fuel ? Oil spills, gas leaks, rotting underground tanks and pipes, etc.

It's been decades and they are still cleaning up PCB's from parts of the Hudson river and other dump sites from GE's plants. Has that massive cost been added to the cost of electric power ?

After years of legal battles, one of my daughters just got a settlement check from a gas company because their well exploration subcontractor set their charges too close to her house and the shockwave destroyed their water well and damaged the foundation of the house. I bet things like that don't show up on any map.

Then there's all those "renewable resource" outdoor wood boilers being used outside the boundaries of municipalities where they are banned. You can see them easily enough by the huge white smoke clouds coming up through the trees. Some windless days many of the valleys around here are foggy from all the wood smoke. People with asthma have a tough time of it if they have to go outdoors in those areas.

Then there's all those buried-in-place underground oil tanks in backyards all over Long Island with it's sandy soil,.....

Any maps for those ?

Paul
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Re: Trump On Coal

PostBy: CoalJockey On: Sat Feb 18, 2017 6:23 pm

This country has a very, very short memory. :(

All it would take is another national energy crisis for it to be revealed just how badly the balance on energy production has been screwed up with this last administration. Do not argue with me, any of us that work in this industry have seen the worst of it during the last 8 years.

For anyone on the other side of this I want to remind you that heat is the graveyard for ALL forms of energy. In other words once it is spent it is spent. Renewable does not mean reliable, the wind does not always blow, the sun does not always shine. Nothing produces a kilowatt like a BTU, other than nuke, fossil fuels are the only option.

Mark my words gents, with this country's appetite for energy, someday we will have to go get the rest of that coal. It may not be tomorrow or 10 years from now but someday they will be thankful that there is still plenty of it left.

If God did not want us to have it and use it, he would have put it 300 miles below earths surface instead of 300 feet.
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