Mantel Manometer

Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: Rob R. On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:44 am

Looks very nice.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:21 am

Thanks guys. still not done, but working towards it.
Hoytman wrote: I would like to know for certain what caused your floor problem.

EDIT:
Possibly it was the vinegar that did that to your floor. Did you also use the steel wool with it by chance?
Only reason I mentioned this is because I just so happened to come across some videos about it this evening while doing some research for my wood flooring I plan on refinishing in the next few weeks.
There's a video too from the Bona company on youtube telling people not to use vinegar and water to clean their wood floors because over time it will swell the wood, can dislodge the finish, and/or darken/blacken lighter finishes. Learn something everyday if we try. :D

No Bill, I definitely wasn't lookin to darken my floors. It was a "horrible" reaction to something I never figured out. A bad day I choose to forget, cause when I was returning the rented floor sander, It fell off the back of my truck, and W/I minutes of me turning around to retrieve it, some-one else picked it up off the road and stole it. cost me $1500 to replace. then to top it off, this is what happened to my floors that awful day. :mad:
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The floors were sanded smooth, and right after I applied my 1st coat of floor shellac, it turned to this mess.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 7:27 am

Logs wrote:I would have to agree with Hoytman and Paulie, I would leave the stripe it gives it character. That chestnut would look beautiful. With a hand rubbed finish. Min wax makes this stuff called antique oil , rub it on and buff it off the next day. You can make it darker by putting on more coats. I make canes and have used it on some of them. You did a nice job on it , looks good. :)

Dave

You guys are making it too easy, to leave the stripe. And I can agree to the "natural" look, but to me it looks like a blemish. Had I've known, I would've planed that board down B4 glue up.
And Dave, I like the idea of the hand rubbed oil, and will probably go that route, depending what happens with the tiger stripe. Thanks for the advice men.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 8:16 am

Rob R. wrote:Looks very nice.


It seriously raises the bar! Well done!!!
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: tcalo On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:25 am

I tip my hat to you Joe, job well done.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: Hoytman On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:55 am

Floors - Gasp! Ugh!! That's horrible, Joe.

I wasn't aware of the vinegar and steel wool trick until yesterday after doing some research. If I recall correctly the chemical reaction forms iron acetate, or something like that. That said, it sounds as if you didn't even use the wool, so it seemed odd to me that the floors would still turn dark on you like that. So, I kept watching videos. Apparently, the vinegar alone can cause the wood to darken like that as well, so I'm not sure now where the steel wool comes in because the one flooring manufacturer video said the wool must be soaked over night in the vinegar. According to those photo's I'd beg to differ with the fella in that video.

I'm sure your heart went to your stomach when that happened. Mine would have. That's horrible.

I'm sure you'll work out what pleases you with that mantle manometer and I'm certain I will like whatever you decide. Your opinion is the only one that counts though. :lol: I think you've inspired a lot of people with this project. I love projects like this and build-alongs on forums like this with photo's are valuable tools for people and a great way to share ideas and knowledge.

I can't wait to see the finished product.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:57 pm

If the alcohol in the shellac absorbed enough water, the water will turn oak black.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: franco b On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 4:59 pm

double post
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 5:57 pm

I heard about the water reaction FB, and I tried to simulate it on another board a while after the mess. I used the same floor shellac, on a piece of oak, (after I soaked it in water for a few hours), and it didn't react.
And Bill, I never used any steel wool on the floor, just applied the shellac (with the proper applicating brush, that I bought "specifically" for that job), after sanding it to "bare metal". I could almost watch the floor turning as it happened. And there wasn't any moisture on the floor, that would cause that. If moisture was present in the wood from previous weather conditions, I can't say. I never checked it with a moisture meter, and wasn't recommended to do so.
The vinegar was the cleaner that worked to turn the floors back to "almost' normal. (I think it was vinegar. Have to research it again) But it took weeks, to figure it out, after trying multiple attempts with different mediums, including "re-sanding" which didn't work. It happened a few years ago, and I still have the 5 gallon can, that I've never tried on anything since. I'll take a photo of it later, and maybe some-one will recognize it.
As for my manometer base, I need to check my inventory of Roman Ogee bits, but I'm pretty sure I don't own what I need. I did acquire some hardware for the back to connect the hoses. Still trying to figure out what'll work for that area too.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:09 pm

Continued more work on it tonite. Seeing I need to get to Woodcraft to check out some router bits, and they're closed, I decided to plunge out a chaseway for the back of the manometer, to clear the fitting and supply hose. It became quite the "hack job", and could've been cleaner had I planned for it B4 glue-up. But we all know what they say about hind site. My only option given the tools at hand, and my limited experience, was to bore out a channel with a 1" wood bit, in my hand held 3/8s Hitachi drill. :shock: My main worry was drilling out the back face, which luckily didn't happen. Once the hole was drilled, I had to chisel out some clearance from the inside. This is what transpired.
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And amazingly, the fitting is centered in the hole
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Like I said, it ain't pretty, but functional. ;)
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:59 pm

A couple days ago, I dabbed some bleach on the above mentioned "tiger stripe", on the bottom edge of the housing. This is the results after a day or 2. (there is a weak spot on the face line, (right where the bleach spot is) that appears like wood putty, but it's not. It's loose grain, that will be routed off in the future.)
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Not much change. Here's a photo of the same area, only with vinegar applied for less than an hour.
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Quite a bit better. So I painted a line across the whole piece to see how it reacts. I'll take a chance and let it set overnight.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:10 pm

I had some interest in my floor dilemma posted above, and with Bills help, I can honestly confirm the chemical that helped restore my blackened oak floors, "wasn't" vinegar, but bleach. But not just any bleach, but the concentrated version. I 1st tried my wife's regular laundry Clorox, and it didn't make a dent. But some-one informed me of the "concentrated" version, and it did the trick. I just found the same stuff I used years ago, and applied it to my tiger stripe, cause the vinegar, which sat all night, didn't do much. We'll see how this concentrated bleach does.
Here is the product that ruined my floor. The main ingredient is shellac. As I said above, it only happened on my oak floor, and I tested it on other woods, and couldn't get the same reaction.
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And this is the good stuff. Always had good luck with Varathane, and is what I should've used in the 1st place.
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The concentrated Clorox is what lightened my black floors, back to normal. But I can't emphasize enuff, it must say "concentrated", (in the yellow stripe), cause the other stuff won't work. I'm sure you ole timers knew this, and were sitting back chuckling, waiting for me to figure it out. :lol:
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: Hoytman On: Sat Mar 04, 2017 12:36 pm

I've been considering using that brand floor finish. I've liked their other products in the past, but never used their floor finish.

Thanks for posting the photo's.

Can't wait to see the mantel manometer when it's finished.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Sat Mar 04, 2017 11:10 pm

Well, for what it's worth, I don't think even the hi-strength bleach will take out the stripe. Maybe it worked on the floor, because the sealer reacted to a foreign material, and the chestnut issue is more than "skin deep". Still have some final sanding to do, but it doesn't appear it'll sand out.
I did get to machine the base profiles today, so this is what transpired. For those who don't care about the details, here's what the final casing will look like, sans finishing. For those who are interested in how I got here, I'll post a few pics to follow.
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Re: Mantel Manometer

PostBy: joeq On: Sun Mar 05, 2017 12:24 am

The initial design of this housing was to be relatively simple, with just some basic roundovers for the edges. However, the 3/4" rounderover router bit utilized on the top housing edges, has a guide bearing on it, and when the fence on my router table was adjusted, (too deep) it left a cut-line on the edge. I've seen it used like this on many designs, and decided to incorporate it, rather than a "do-over". And because of this "play on light", figured I'ld continue it to the base.
I could've gone with a conventional Roman Ogee, but kinda liked the design of what's called a "classical" ogee. It's nothing more than a cove cut, on top of a roundover. I have a cabinet bit with this profile, but the size is much too small for this project, so I had to come up with a plan B.
I was hoping to be able to purchase a complete bit on a 1/2" shank, but believe profiles of this size are only manufactured for a shaper. (Which I don't own.) And because both my cove bit and round overs have guide bearings, which interfere with the set-up, I 1st purchased what's called a "core box" bit, but couldn't acquire an "undercutting" roundover, and ended up making one from my old roundover.
So here's some set-up pics for ya.
I began on the table saw and cut a dato/groove around the perimeter roughly 1/2" by 1/2" deep.
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Then I layed the board flat on the router table, and made the cove cut 1st. You can see how if the bit were a cove bit with a guide brg, it would interfere with the "shelf" above it.
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Next came the roundover. In this pic, you can see how the guide brg. will interfere, so I sacrificed the bit, and made it an undercutting bit. (The photo below)
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More to follow.
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