Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:39 pm

scalabro wrote:Urban legend sometimes requires time before truth be told William. BTW, I have a spare load door "grate" if you or Steve need one cast. I'm going to do a couple this summer when both my 40's get new barrels. LMK


IIRC i saw a pic of Williams 40 showing the grate thru the mica. he will be getting another with his next 40 though mine doesn't have one so get me an estimate at least.

thanks,
steve
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:28 pm

week 2 of burn cycle training.

there is a finely edged balance point to ash management with this stove that takes some getting used to.

so far i've found 2 alternatives.

1 ) punch down thru the fire from above with a heavy poker to break and settle the bridging then shake till you get burning coal down on the grate. or...

2 ) open the draw center and riddle the center and back of the ash under the bridge then close the draw center and work the front of the ash until the bridge of burning coal falls and leave it at that.

either works just fine, the first can help to keep more ash over the grates to slow the fire advance and the second will help get more coal in the pot to prepare for the next long cycle or high temp run.

i am still learning to balance the primary and draft strength. very small adjustment make quite large changes in heat production and fuel use. might take the rest of the season to get this down.

since i no longer have the benefit of T.O.M.'s double heater driven whole house circulation i'm having to employ the ceiling fans to help with that. it helps but was slooooow to get started. i'm considering cutting 2 pass thru registers in the wall between the stove corner and the dining room to help this passively. one low above the base board and the other high under the crown molding.

both would be just off center behind the stove and i think would help but avoid a cool draft coming thru the open arch between the 2 rooms.
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 1:17 pm

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uht oh Scooby, what's going on here. :o

i found the sweet spot down at -.02 / -.015 and enough primary to make the heat target. the fire did real well last night and so far today.

but at the same time a sudden harsh snap has shown me that unless or until i finish the windows, doors and insulate the house this stove doesn't have a chance of carrying this house thru the teens and under plus wind.

the other thing is, i'm leaving for Golden Colo. on Sat. morning and won't be back till late Mon. or pretty early Tues. and need a stove installed that will carry the house at 50 / 55 for that amount of time.

FRANK to the rescue !!

i'll be dropping the last of the fire out of the C40 this evening and have FRANK online before bed.

steve
Last edited by KingCoal on Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:13 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: Pauliewog On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:07 pm

I can see the smile on Franks load door. I'll bet he couldn't wait for his turn to to be of help. :D

Paulie
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 4:19 pm

Pauliewog wrote:I can see the smile on Franks load door. I'll bet he couldn't wait for his turn to to be of help. :D

Paulie


yeah, FRANK is a fine example of the truth behind the table EarlH posted in his excellent BB thread showing the 1900's opinion of how big of fire pot you need for so many cubic feet of uninsulated living space and the amount it can be expanded by the BB configuration.

i'm startin to feel like coalnewbie, moving stoves in and out of the sun porch like lawn furniture. :lol: :lol:

http://nepacrossroads.com/posting.php?m ... 5&p=344598

the area of FRANK's 14x16 fire pot is 224 s.i. a 17" round pot is 226 s.i.
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: scalabro On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:24 pm

30 x 40 x 8 = 9600 cubic feet

That would be a 1200 sq ft house with 8 ft ceilings .... a typical 50's ranch house.

You should insulate KC :D

And BTW that box thing is fugly :D
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:28 pm

Do they make a "lazy Susan" big enough for coal stoves ? You could have the coal stove version of a Colt revolver ! :D

Paul
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:21 pm

[quote="scalabro"]30 x 40 x 8 = 9600 cubic feet

That would be a 1200 sq ft house with 8 ft ceilings .... a typical 50's ranch house.

You should insulate KC :D

And BTW that box thing is fugly :D[/quot

yeah, yeah but it went fast. fire out in Crawford 5:15 fire burning in FRANK 6:15. inside air temp drop from 72 to 68.

waiting for the matchlight to settle down then it's on to the Ant.

steve
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: tcalo On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 6:38 pm

KC, If that C40 isn't cutting it for you I'll make some room and keep her warm... :lol:
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:08 pm

45 mins. in with 2 doors open a foot and a window cracked down stairs FRANK is blowin the blues and holding the house at 68 on the first 10 #'s of the hard stuff.
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Wed Mar 15, 2017 7:13 pm

scalabro wrote:30 x 40 x 8 = 9600 cubic feet

That would be a 1200 sq ft house with 8 ft ceilings .... a typical 50's ranch house.

You should insulate KC :D

And BTW that box thing is fugly :D


9 FT ceilings thru out closer to 11000.

no matter what insulation will be the order of the day this yr.

i've got 25 tons of nut and 7 stoves, she thinks that sides covered :mad: :oops: :roll:
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:44 pm

at 06:00 in the morning FRANK will have been on duty 60 hrs. at that point i plan to shake it and refill the hopper, set it to coast in DD @ -.03 Mano. and see if it will run unattended till 06:00 Tuesday.

if it can maintain draft it should make it, at or under 1# per hr. which is very easy for this stove.

it'll be nice to walk in shake and fill it and head to work.

steve
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Fri Mar 17, 2017 3:53 pm

KingCoal wrote:at 06:00 in the morning FRANK will have been on duty 60 hrs. at that point i plan to shake it and refill the hopper, set it to coast in DD @ -.03 Mano. and see if it will run unattended till 06:00 Tuesday.

if it can maintain draft it should make it, at or under 1# per hr. which is very easy for this stove.

it'll be nice to walk in shake and fill it and head to work.

steve


Cant wait for the results Steve...I give you credit or anyone that runs there stove for 24hrs. Im so stuck in a 12hour tend rut and afraid to come home to a cold ashed stove. Even when the stove crawls along at 165* i still tend twice a day shake and add a few shovels. I really need to get my big boy paints and try a 24hour tend the next warm spell.
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: KingCoal On: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:03 pm

other #6 users are going to be along shortly to affirm that that stove will do 24 hrs. with little trouble with proper load and tend practice.

look up Wsherricks threads on the #6. wealth of info second to none.

steve
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Re: Crawford 40 waiting in the wings

PostBy: dlj On: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:29 pm

KingCoal wrote:other #6 users are going to be along shortly to affirm that that stove will do 24 hrs. with little trouble with proper load and tend practice.

look up Wsherricks threads on the #6. wealth of info second to none.

steve


They only do 24 hours if you aren't cranking out the heat... I typically get about 16 hours when it's quite cold out and I'm running hot... I do tend to run a lot hotter than William does...

dj
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