CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:56 am

Have a look at this gem.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2017/TOB/h/pdf/2 ... R00-HB.pdf

Proposed by the same Democrat that wants to permit hospitals to upon death (at least for now) harvest your organs unless you prior "opt -out".

Its all just too good.

Ug
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:31 am

15$ per ton of generated co2? What dose a ton of burn coal produce in co2?
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:35 am

Here's the cost breakdown at the proposed $15/ton of co2 emitted (with no more than ~$5/ton yearly increases BTW)
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Pounds of CO2 emitted per million British thermal units (Btu) of energy for various fuels: Coal (anthracite) 228.6
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Therefore assuming 10K BTU per lb coal, every 100 #'s of coal emits 228.6 pounds of C02
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Therefore 2000 #'s of coal emits 4,572 #'s of C02
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This implies a ton of coal's tax would be (4572/2000) or 2.28 x $15/ton =
$ 34.28
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Lightning On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:37 am

Canaan coal man wrote:15$ per ton of generated co2? What dose a ton of burn coal produce in co2?


One ton of coal produces 3 tons of CO2 roughly.
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Hand Fed Coal Furnace: Overmodified/Bored out Clayton 1537
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:39 am

Or ~42 bucks on a 1.2 ton pallet ! :(
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:41 am

I think there is a flaw in the math. How can emissions weigh more than the original? The addition of oxygen?

Oil and gas too. Seems to be a tax on electric utilities. We already have among the highest prices for electricity.
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:57 am

Franco, this is where the base numbers were found..

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=73&t=11

Appreciate a validation of the ~ 228 lbs per million btu's ..
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:21 am

This is all the better reason to have coal shipped in by the tractor trailer load.
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:30 am

Home heating fuels are exempt from taxes in CT. Thats why they tax the propane dealer and not his customer here in CT. Clever, eh?
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:52 am

coaledsweat wrote:Home heating fuels are exempt from taxes in CT. Thats why they tax the propane dealer and not his customer here in CT. Clever, eh?


Coaledsweat, this is the article that made me aware of a proposed home heating oil tax. The Bill as read also includes coal suggesting IMO coal sold for residential use in CT.

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Con ... 001611.php

Times seem to be a changin here in the glorious state of Connecticut. Even the inference of this tax is bothersome especially for low income households...

Ug
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:22 am

They had the oil one back in 2013, it died in committee IIRC.
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Canaan coal man On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 11:24 am

Our coal is already expensive at 290-325 a ton, let alone an additional 30$ tax :mad:
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: davidmcbeth3 On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:15 pm

Uglysquirrel wrote:Have a look at this gem.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2017/TOB/h/pdf/2 ... R00-HB.pdf

Proposed by the same Democrat that wants to permit hospitals to upon death (at least for now) harvest your organs unless you prior "opt -out".

Its all just too good.

Ug


Kennedy ? That asswipe? I suggested that he kill himself and donate his organs immediately.
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Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: warminmn On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:56 pm

davidmcbeth3 wrote:
Uglysquirrel wrote:Have a look at this gem.

https://www.cga.ct.gov/2017/TOB/h/pdf/2 ... R00-HB.pdf

Proposed by the same Democrat that wants to permit hospitals to upon death (at least for now) harvest your organs unless you prior "opt -out".

Its all just too good.

Ug


Kennedy ? That asswipe? I suggested that he kill himself and donate his organs immediately.


thanks for the laugh :lol: I dont know the person but that sounds fair!
warminmn
 
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Other Heating: wood

Re: CT Carbon Tax on Fossil Fuels (Coal included) -Proposed Bill

PostBy: Homesteader On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:52 pm

Malloy and the democrats in this state are trying everything that they can do to drive the residents of the rural areas out of their state. Our town was receiving 216,000 dollars a year for education cost grants (ECS). Last year it was 56,000 in ECS this year zippo. They also want our small town to pay 1/3 of the state teachers pension fund which for our town would be 411,000 annually. They also want to eliminate all road grant programs for my town. This is all contained in a news letter sent from our first selectman that I received in the mail today. Now this f*%#king tax on home heating products including coal. I am a retired person living on a fixed income and have to be frugal how I spend my money now they want to tax my coal. Their plan seems to be to bankrupt the rural fixed income people by making the frugal towns raise the property tax to the point that we have no option but to leave.

This plays into the democrats hand perfectly because us rural folks are mostly republicans. :mad:
JL
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