waldo lemieux wrote:You guys are missing my point. I believe the claims(if there are any that are legit) that Trump was in discussions with the Russians its because O had the Russian phones tapped and Trump called them. Its nowhere near the same as bugging Trump Towers and perfectly legit. I also edited my post to read " if Mr Obama WERE a private citizen" as its nearly impossible to win a lawsuit for libel if you are a public figure.
x2, though I would say it's not necessarily specific to Trump personally (i.e., could also be campaign staff or surrogates). I believe all of this is also consistent with reports that the original FISA warrant request(s) were turned down. Upon being tasked to look at the relationship between Trump's campaign and the Russian election interference, I can imagine the first reaction of some intel people was to use the "go to" method of FISA warrants. And when they took it to the FISA court, somebody there had the presence of mind to say "Hmmm, so you want us to let you monitor the opposing party's presidential campaign. What could possibly go wrong with that?" And to the letter conveying the denial they stapled the list of 48 people convicted in Watergate. The request was later modified so it was the Russians being monitored, and everybody was happy.
Note: if things really happened that way all it would mean is that the system worked the way it was supposed to. Separation of powers prevented overreach by the administration, and the domestic component of the surveillance was limited to the instances in which Trump/staff/surrogates actually communicated with the Russians. It's not semantics, Fred, it's our system actually working. And I look forward to seeing what it comes up with.