Whoops NO WIRETAPS

Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 5:58 pm

Sunny Boy wrote:Then there can't be any way that those very same intelligence agencies would know to say that there was a Russian connection to try and help Trump and influence the election. Or that he has any ties to the Russian government.

So in crying foul about wiretaps, Trump got the government to clear him of all those Trump hater's claims about Russian connections. ;)


Geez SB, someone as astute as yourself should realize that maybe the O admin was wiretapping the Russians when they heard something they are concerned about. They said they didnt wiretap Trump Towers, but if Trump was caught by eavesdropping on the Russians , well then he has a problem. I dont believe even the Donald is stoooopid enough to get involved with the Russians and the election. I think if Mr Obama were a private citizen he'd wind up owning Trump Towers in a libel suit...
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: franco b On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:17 pm

waldo lemieux wrote: I think if Mr Obama werent a private citizen he'd wind up owning Trump Towers in a libel suit...


Lets wait until the other shoe drops.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: lowfog01 On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:36 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:Then there can't be any way that those very same intelligence agencies would know to say that there was a Russian connection to try and help Trump and influence the election. Or that he has any ties to the Russian government.

So in crying foul about wiretaps, Trump got the government to clear him of all those Trump hater's claims about Russian connections. ;)


I think if Mr Obama werent a private citizen he'd wind up owning Trump Towers in a libel suit...


How so... if would seem to me that it's been exposed that the Obama administration was indeed "wiretapping" or spying on the Trump campaign during which no collusion with the Russians was found. That being the case, it would appear that those in the Obama administration have been committing felonies, i.e. spying on private US citizens. I guess that Trumps a libel suit. Lisa
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:38 pm

How so... if would seem to me that it's been exposed that the Obama administration was indeed "wiretapping" or spying on the Trump campaign during which no collusion with the Russians was found. That being the case, it would appear that those in the Obama administration have been committing felonies, i.e. spying on private US citizens. I guess that Trumps a libel suit. Lisa
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Where did you ever come up with a conclusion like that?Trump is going to give his evidence very soon to show the truth of wiretapping of his tower. Do you have inside information that we don't? :?
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: Sunny Boy On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:24 pm

waldo lemieux wrote:
Sunny Boy wrote:Then there can't be any way that those very same intelligence agencies would know to say that there was a Russian connection to try and help Trump and influence the election. Or that he has any ties to the Russian government.

So in crying foul about wiretaps, Trump got the government to clear him of all those Trump hater's claims about Russian connections. ;)


Geez SB, someone as astute as yourself should realize that maybe the O admin was wiretapping the Russians when they heard something they are concerned about. They said they didnt wiretap Trump Towers, but if Trump was caught by eavesdropping on the Russians , well then he has a problem. I dont believe even the Donald is stoooopid enough to get involved with the Russians and the election. I think if Mr Obama werent a private citizen he'd wind up owning Trump Towers in a libel suit...



If I call you on the phone and your being wiretapped, I'm then being wiretapped also. You can go to the FISA website and read the PDF files of warrants and see what a FISA warrant includes as "wiretapping"..

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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: bigstick6017555 On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:36 pm

In January 20th, the NYT states that wiretapped material was being collected to the WH to investigate the claim that Trump was colluding with Russians;
No evidence of Trump colluding with Russians was found;
Trump then uses the info provided by the NYT to claim that Obama administration used wiretaps to hear his campaign staff;
Here is the best part:
Now, all of a sudden, there were no wiretappings on the Trump campaign, and the WH wasn't involved in recording Trump campaign communications

Really?
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:52 pm

Point is they did tap Trumps phones but they will deny,deny,deny!!!!!!!!!!!! PLUS--with the MSM on the libs side--it's a moot topic.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:56 pm

Seriously Fred? Do you have information to support your claim? Would you defend Trump to your death regardless?
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:20 pm

freetown fred wrote:Point is they did tap Trumps phones but they will deny,deny,deny!!!!!!!!!!!! PLUS--with the MSM on the libs side--it's a moot topic. Did I also mention that most of the bleedin heart idiots are with the MSM. But even a lot of them are starting to pay attention.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:13 pm

freetown fred wrote:Point is they did tap Trumps phones but they will deny,deny,deny!!!!!!!!!!!! PLUS--with the MSM on the libs side--it's a moot topic.

That's why one of Trump's biggest supporters in the House, with access to all the secret stuff, said there was NO tap????
Fred, if Trump tweeted that you personally had broken into Trump Tower and planted bugs, I think you would believe him.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: rberq On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:17 pm

lowfog01 wrote:... it would seem to me that it's been exposed that the Obama administration was indeed "wiretapping" or spying on the Trump campaign
"Exposed" by the same people (or their like) who said Obama was born in Kenya. Some of them still say it. Are you one?
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: freetown fred On: Thu Mar 16, 2017 10:30 pm

That RB is what gets you libs in trouble---THINKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! and comin up not knowin much, but spewing a bunch of silliness anyway.
rberq wrote:
freetown fred wrote:Point is they did tap Trumps phones but they will deny,deny,deny!!!!!!!!!!!! PLUS--with the MSM on the libs side--it's a moot topic.

That's why one of Trump's biggest supporters in the House, with access to all the secret stuff, said there was NO tap????
Fred, if Trump tweeted that you personally had broken into Trump Tower and planted bugs, I think you would believe him.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: waldo lemieux On: Fri Mar 17, 2017 12:16 am

You guys are missing my point. I believe the claims(if there are any that are legit) that Trump was in discussions with the Russians its because O had the Russian phones tapped and Trump called them. Its nowhere near the same as bugging Trump Towers and perfectly legit. I also edited my post to read " if Mr Obama WERE a private citizen" as its nearly impossible to win a lawsuit for libel if you are a public figure.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: freetown fred On: Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:44 am

Semantics WL.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: Pacowy On: Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:16 am

waldo lemieux wrote:You guys are missing my point. I believe the claims(if there are any that are legit) that Trump was in discussions with the Russians its because O had the Russian phones tapped and Trump called them. Its nowhere near the same as bugging Trump Towers and perfectly legit. I also edited my post to read " if Mr Obama WERE a private citizen" as its nearly impossible to win a lawsuit for libel if you are a public figure.


x2, though I would say it's not necessarily specific to Trump personally (i.e., could also be campaign staff or surrogates). I believe all of this is also consistent with reports that the original FISA warrant request(s) were turned down. Upon being tasked to look at the relationship between Trump's campaign and the Russian election interference, I can imagine the first reaction of some intel people was to use the "go to" method of FISA warrants. And when they took it to the FISA court, somebody there had the presence of mind to say "Hmmm, so you want us to let you monitor the opposing party's presidential campaign. What could possibly go wrong with that?" And to the letter conveying the denial they stapled the list of 48 people convicted in Watergate. The request was later modified so it was the Russians being monitored, and everybody was happy.

Note: if things really happened that way all it would mean is that the system worked the way it was supposed to. Separation of powers prevented overreach by the administration, and the domestic component of the surveillance was limited to the instances in which Trump/staff/surrogates actually communicated with the Russians. It's not semantics, Fred, it's our system actually working. And I look forward to seeing what it comes up with.

Mike
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