Whoops NO WIRETAPS

Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: lsayre On: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:41 pm

I agree, but it also may merely be a testimony to the entrenched power of the petrodollar support group (the Lesters behind the curtain who front their carefully selected DemoPublicans to the American people) if they can contrive to end Trump's unintended and unimagined Presidency, even if forced by unforeseen circumstances into retrospectively covering for their double mistakes (in this case, for fronting Hillary over Bernie, and for allowing Trump to beat their selected Republican champions). In this scenario the Russian connection appears to be their chosen tool to re-establish their 'rightful' order.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:17 am

Trump's team has submitted copies of its wire tapping evidence to committees in both the House and the Senate. Reuters is already reporting that there is nothing of consequence in the submittals. Sealed court evidence content apparently leaks out travels fast in an environment where we are assured in advance of no tapping. Either that, or Reuters has no clue, yet is intentionally disseminating fake news to their base to opiate placate them so they will be obliviously numb to accepting the real news if/when it happens.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: johnjoseph On: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:14 pm

Seriously?
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: lsayre On: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:39 pm

johnjoseph wrote:Seriously?


Glad you asked. I seem to have misread the article, as it was the DOJ that made the submittals to each house, not Trumps administration.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-1 ... ue-shortly

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-t ... SKBN16O2J2
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: Blackrocks On: Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:12 pm

Both F.B.I. director Comey and Admiral Rogers ( N.S.A.) confirmed there is no evidence that they have, or know of, that supports Trumps claims of surveillance on Trump towers. Comey went on to say the Dep of Justice told him that they have no evidence of that claim either and the F.B.I. very carefully investigated those claims but also that they are not done with all facets of the investigation. That was at the public hearing on all this mess in front of the intelligence committee hearing.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: lsayre On: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:27 pm

Who has wires to tap anymore? When Comey and the NSA say they did no such thing as the wire tapping of the Trump Tower, they are telling the truth, but perhaps only part of it.
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: bambooboy On: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:20 pm

if the fbi were after me for drug dealing,or illeagal gambling,sex trafficing for 8 months,does anyone believe they would not wire tap,tap e-mail server,put a bug in your house, car,place of bussiness. DRAIN THE SWAMP
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PostBy: jpete On: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:50 pm

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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: rberq On: Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:56 pm

bambooboy wrote:if the fbi were after me for drug dealing,or illeagal gambling,sex trafficing for 8 months,does anyone believe they would not wire tap,tap e-mail server,put a bug in your house, car,place of bussiness. DRAIN THE SWAMP

Of course they would. But first they would present probable cause to a court and get a warrant.

You're not still doing all that, are you? I thought you said you were going straight. :|
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PostBy: rberq On: Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:06 pm

Representative Adam Schiff … asked what [Rogers] made of official British denunciations of the G.C.H.Q. claim as “nonsense and utterly ridiculous.”
“Would you agree?” Mr. Schiff asked.
“Yes, sir,” said Admiral Rogers.
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PostBy: bambooboy On: Tue Mar 21, 2017 10:05 am

Trump tweeted on march 4 about wiretapping,3 weeks ago.investigation over&nothing found. fbi started investigation into russian influence in our election 8 months ago&still ongoing&smart cookie lady on fox says may take up to 2 years to finish.looks like Trump does not have 1 friend in D.C. :(
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:23 pm

On the wiretapping you are generally talking about internal U.S. processes, so there's not that much you need to check. Did they even say they had finished looking at it, or just that at present they had 0 to substantiate it?

On the Russian interference in the election, the consensus findings of the intel agencies was released in early January. The investigation of possible Trump links to the interference will take longer, but there you're talking about doing a lot of digging on U.S. citizens who may be interacting with each other as well as the Russians, so there's lots of work to do. If it really takes 2 years that would seem like a lot, but who knows if the Fox estimate will hold up.

So even though Trump has dissed the intel community, I don't see the bias pattern you suggest. For a guy who supposedly is savvy, it does seem odd that he would not take greater precautions to avoid the appearance of impropriety by his chosen staff and surrogates. I'm sure he likes selling condos to Russians, but that doesn't mean he should expect a warm reception if he rides into town on a Russian horse.

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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: lsayre On: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:02 pm

Pacowy wrote:I'm sure he likes selling condos to Russians, but that doesn't mean he should expect a warm reception if he rides into town on a Russian horse.

Mike


I seriously doubt that any Trump administration Russia contacts (if any) were nefarious in nature, or were a threat to national security.

Our entire military/industrial/financial complex rests upon the pillar of maintaining the status of Russia as a totally evil nation bent solely upon the disruption and destruction of the USA. Anyone should be able to see through the thinness of this veil, and realize that we are merely using Russia (a nation that can't come close to competing with us militarily) as a strawman by which to retain our world dominating military presence. I'm shocked that it is now the Democrats (who openly tolerate and welcome many facets of socialism) who are screaming the loudest here. I'm not shocked that a number of Republicans have joined them. The warmongers being foremost among them. An odd coalition indeed. It's clearly a "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" coalition.

Given that Obama 'hot miked' directly to the Russian ambassador on worldwide TV that after his election he would be in a better position to scratch Putin's back, it seems that if Trump is going to be brought down due to something as mundane as this, then Obama should also have been brought down for his collusion with Russia (and hard).
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: Pacowy On: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:28 pm

Larry,

I like your petrodollar and military-industrial complex theories, and even some people who aren't particularly Trump supporters may find it reassuring if the investigation of the Trump-Russian connection finds nothing to prosecute. That said, I just read something about a bust of a Russian mobster and a couple of dozen associates for money laundering in an operation based in Trump Tower, so he knew there are plenty of Russian bad guys around and that the FBI has been aggressive about monitoring them (yes, there was a wiretap). And I don't think anybody needed an intel report to get the idea that Putin didn't like Hillary. I'm all in favor of the theory of better relations with Russia, but if the practice requires Assange and plain felonies all over the place it's not quite so easy to swallow. I still think Trump should have had enough awareness of this to step more carefully.

Mike
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Re: Whoops NO WIRETAPS

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:50 pm

Just so you know, it doesn't take an intel agency or a court order to tap a phone. I have done it, you just need wire a device and a working brain.
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