Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: eddie On: Sat May 31, 2008 8:58 pm

I've read the literature and they are cheap. I would put this potbelly stove in my basement and probably two register's in the floor above to heat my parlor(which is where I sleep) and dining room above. I have a door between kitchen and dining room which I keep closed for winter. So the basement will be getting heat and heat would come up the stairs to the kitchen through a partially opened kichen-basement door. So I really want mainly the parlor and dining room warm which is the area I live. I'm not interested in heating the bedrooms upstairs. I was wondering if the potbelly would do this job.
I would install the manual damper as reguired but was wondering if a baro damper would also help. For guys who have used these, is there a way to keep this stove from going out at night since they recommend adding small amounts of coal "frequently". Thanks.
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:39 am

You won't be happy with that stove,, save your money and put it toward a good coal stove.. I'd rather see you buy a used Franco Belge, Warm Morning, or other made-for-coal stove.. The pot belly stoves don't have good grates,, rarely shaker grates,, a tiny ash receptical, and rarely if ever an ashpan. The coal burns right up against the cast iron, so the iron is eroded quickly by the coal fire.. all in all,, not a good choice...

Look for an actual designed-to-burn coal stove,, it will have most if not all of these features..:
Firebrick lined firebox.
Shaker grates,, preferably with external shaker handle.
Ash Pan under the grates,,

Air controls for controling the air to ashpan area, under the grates..

Hope this helps.. there was a thread about the Vogelzang potbelly on the forum about a year or so ago,, try a topic search for 'Volgelzang' and see ifyou can find the thread..

Greg L
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: eddie On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:50 am

Has anybody had a positive experience with this stove?
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 10:59 am

eddie wrote:Has anybody had a positive experience with this stove?


I have no experience with this stove, but I have seen posts on the forum as well. As Greg suggested-do a search and see what shows up.

I also feel you would be better served with a different stove. You can usually find used stoves on eBay, etc., that can be purchases for a good price and may need a little work if you don't want to spend the $$$ on a new unit to get started. A Harman Magnafire Mark I or Mark II will suit your needs and is a solid reliable stove. You can go to sleep at night not worrying about the house going on fire, and you can get min 12 hours burn time from the Mark I with the proper coal.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:07 am

eddie wrote:Has anybody had a positive experience with this stove?


I have never heard of anything good with thier woodstoves. But as far as coal. I haven't heard anything.
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:43 am

In the thread a year or two back, the potbelly stove owner reported that the lower portion of the stove glowed red, and that he had trouble controling the air to the fire, making an all-night burn a matter of luck rather than an adjustment.. He had to let the fire go out to dig out the ash that wouldn't fall throught he grate..
All-in-All a dangerous and difficult stove to use for anything but a quick fire... probably best with wood.

Find a good coal stove with shaker grates,, You will be much happier, and will sleep better knowing you have a properly contained and controled fire.

Greg L

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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: rberq On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:01 pm

I found the stove advertised on the internet. Reviews by purchasers included statements like "almost impossible to control heat output when burning coal", "not airtight, so it can fill your house with smoke if dampered down too much", and "I will move it to the garage and get a better stove for the house". And that's from the people who liked it!

When the advertising BOASTS of holding a coal fire for 8 hours, you know something is wrong. My Harman, smaller than the Vogelzang, will hold a fire for 40 hours at low output.

The Vogelzang is cheap, $380. But that's like buying a new Yugo instead of a used Toyota. Go for the used Toyota.
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine 1300
Coal Size/Type: Nut -- Kimmel/Blaschak/Reading
Other Heating: Oil hot water radiators, propane

Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:23 pm

As long as your only "thinking" of buying the Vogelsang, you are safe. What all the others have said is true. It will glow cherry red. Lousy stove. As for the Yugo, that's my favorite Elvis song.
http://humor.beecy.net/songs/Elvis/
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:45 pm

coalkirk wrote:As long as your only "thinking" of buying the Vogelsang, you are safe. What all the others have said is true. It will glow cherry red. Lousy stove. As for the Yugo, that's my favorite Elvis song.
http://humor.beecy.net/songs/Elvis/


I know that song!
And what's so bad about a Yugo??? :D
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: cArNaGe On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:52 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:
coalkirk wrote:As long as your only "thinking" of buying the Vogelsang, you are safe. What all the others have said is true. It will glow cherry red. Lousy stove. As for the Yugo, that's my favorite Elvis song.
http://humor.beecy.net/songs/Elvis/


I know that song!
And what's so bad about a Yugo??? :D


I remember my 9th grade English teacher buying one and bragging to the class about his sports car because it was a stick. :lol:
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:55 pm

Vogelzang indicates the potbelly stove is intended for use with wood or bituminous coal. There's no mention of Anthracite. Further reading indicates they require the use of a (GACK!) manual damper.

Then I read about the proud tradition they are carrying on by still producing wood and coal stoves, right before I read that the stove is Made In China.


http://www.vogelzang.com/pb65xl.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: 1959 EFM 350
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman Magnafire Mark I
Coal Size/Type: Rice and Chestnut
Other Heating: Fisher Fireplace Insert

Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: Uglysquirrel On: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:01 pm

And look at the manufacturer's instructions. It says "Not UL listed". Hummmmm....though maybe a good place for this is an ice shanty in the middle of Lake Champlain.
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: captcaper On: Mon Jun 09, 2008 7:30 am

I used one years ago. Yes it is not air tight but it does simmer down. You will have to leave the damper open a little. So yes it will burn hotter then an airtight but If you top it off with Pea it will burn even slower. Or just burn Pea maybe. Also I had a Chubby that I used full time for 14 years burning nut. It had a Cast Iron Basket and it never burn out. the ash around the side protects as ash on a grate. With that I wish My new Harman had one. Round stoves are supposed to burn better. If the brick cracks and heat get's to the steel wall it's over. Just make sure your clearances are generous.
The grate system isn't as good as some. But I believe it shakes. My Cubby had a plain 1 piece grate that just shook side to side like Pot Bellys. You'll have to dust more often as you have to shake and poke with ash door open.It worked for me. No jamming with this grate. Just clean it out once and a while whe the slag builds up. They are simple to run and with all cast iron no need to worry about warping like a poorly made steel outer shell type or one that was used hard.

If it helps you get started buy one. Maybe pick up a used stove with a better grate and more air tight system down the road.I used to love seeing the glow around the belly in dim light at night.
I'll post again I'm sure about my Harman vs Chubby once the season get's going.
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: LsFarm On: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:19 pm

Captcaper,, you don't have to be concerned about cracked firebrick,, they crack often, an no damage is done to the steel body of the stoves.. the only way would be if you built a coal fire in the firebox with completely missing firebricks... Replacing cracked bricks is a fairly common yearly maintenance job on many handfeeds..

My AxemanAnderson has a steel firepot.. water cooled of course,, it is the water jacket, but it it is a 1950 model,, so it has been burning for 58 years with coal right up against the steel... and it's fine..

Greg L
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Re: Thinking of buying a vogelzang potbelly stove

PostBy: captcaper On: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:44 pm

I'll have to figure out what size and buy some extras for my Mark III

Jim
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