Who was the worst president in your life time

Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: acesover On: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:01 pm

Did you see ronny on Death Valley Days, did you ever see the Old Timer? How old are you? The show sucked when Ron took over.,,,.... what would you expect FROM A B ACTOR,,,,, B B B actor, not a man to lead the free world WHAT A JOKE.
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Jun 14, 2008 8:49 pm

acesover wrote:Did you see ronny on Death Valley Days, did you ever see the Old Timer? How old are you? The show sucked when Ron took over.,,,.... what would you expect FROM A B ACTOR,,,,, B B B actor, not a man to lead the free world WHAT A JOKE.


Hey...I'm old enough to remember all of them! Remember "Stories of the Century" starring Jim Davis as Matt Clark, railroad detective! (Loved his pretty sidekick)
I even remeber Death Valley Days sponsor: 20 MuleTeam Borax!
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:03 pm

The Regan years were the last time that we were respected around the world. He said what he meant and meant what he said. He said he would send troops to Iran to get our hostages back and within hours of his inaugaration, they were released. And yes, the USSR was reeling from Afghanistan, but Regan delivered the knockout punch. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, no matter how wrong you are. The fortune teller stuff was his wife, not him. I also hope you or no one in your family ever get alziemers desease. It's a horrible fate, not funny at all. I watched my mother go from a sweet little old lady who never had an unkind word to say her whole life about anyone to a nasty, cussed like a sailor, crone. Very sad. It robs you of all your dignity.

You didn't use to be an air traffic controller, did you?
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:04 am

Simply put, Reagan resided over the longest economic boom in our recent history.. and it wasn't the result of Jimmy Carter's previous term.that's for damned sure. .. Reagan gave us respect in the world after Jimmy Carter's disasterous term.. Jimmy is a good ex president.. but Prayed for help every day,, never made a decision, he was waiting for God to intervene for him... I'll take a president who makes a decision, backs it up and moves on.. and if he finds out that the decision was bad, then prays for forgiveness... .

No, I'd take Reagan again,, I think he could fix a lot of what is wrong right now... And all the mystical crap was the first lady.. not Reagan..

So what is the best background for a great president??
A peanut farmer??
A B actor?
A pot smoking, filandering, lying lawyer that got disbarred for his lies under oath?
An ex CIA Chief
The Son of a former president? Who gets stuck with the first foreign attack on our own continent??

Well I don't know,, Personally I wish Ross Perot would run again, Maybe his background as a Bussinessman is the right background to help our country..

The two party system is flawed, and the Media and money needed to buy the Media and to buy a nomination makes it virtually impossible to get a good candidate for the office..


What gets me,, is with the poor economy,, the unpopular war, the unpopular president why the hell couldn't the two parties come up with someone appealing... ??? I'm SO tired of voting for the lesser of two evils... Why couldn't some cream float to the top,, instead a turd and a bad smell.

ANYBODY with a decent business background and a decent charisma could get elected by a landslide,, but what do we have?? again,, two poor choices neither of which are very appealing..

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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: acesover On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 6:00 am

I agree with your post, YOU ARE THE MAN... Ls
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:22 am

LsFarm wrote:ANYBODY with a decent business background and a decent charisma could get elected by a landslide,, but what do we have?? again,, two poor choices neither of which are very appealing



Which is why I say lets give Obama a chance. He has lived the American dream, is a self-made man (not born to privilege) is very charismatic, gave up very lucrative job offers to help the needy in Chicago & may just mean what he says, I'm willing to roll the dice after the mess of the last eight years. For all the rhetoric, we all know deep down that Sen. McCain will not be any change & will merely tack on another 4 years of GW Bush's policies & thinking. Have the Republicans really earned the right to remain in the White House? .....Enough!
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: acesover On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:34 am

Sorry Devil, I'm a regerssored democrat, and cant bring myself to vote for an ARAB who was educated in moslem shcools.
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:39 am

acesover wrote:Sorry Devil, I'm a regerssored democrat, and cant bring myself to vote for an ARAB who was educated in moslem shcools.


Oh man!......You have bought the current "Swift Boaters" BS, hook, line & sinker!

Obama is a Christian & with real American values!
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: acesover On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:47 am

Dont think so, this guy is not a black man, he is arab, do a google. He is a farce, the boat people will eat him alive.
Ray
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: EnergyManager On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 8:56 am

Just the facts....
Starting in 1977 President Carter tried to control government spending even during inflationary times. The national debt increased an average of 9% per year while he was in office, and his policies eventually brought inflation under control with the help of a semi-cooperative Democratic Congress. He was thrown out of office after one term for making and implementing the hard decisions required to cut spending and deal with the energy crisis.

As President Reagan entered office in 1981 he repeatedly called for a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution, yet never submitted a balanced budget himself. Many on the right reflexively blame the Democratically controlled Congress for the “big spending” during his administration, even though Republicans controlled the Senate for the first six years of his two terms. Only during the last two years of the Reagan administration was the Congress completely controlled by Democrats, and the records show that the growth of the debt slowed during this period. It appears that the frequently referenced Reagan’s Conservative mythology is contrary to the truth, he was an award winning, record setting liberal spender.

The fact is that Reagan was able to push his tax cuts through both Houses of Congress, but he never pushed through any reduced spending programs. His weak leadership in this area makes him directly responsible for the unprecedented rise in borrowing during his time in office, an average of 13.8% per year. The increase in total debt during Reagan’s two terms was larger than all the debt accumulated by all the presidents before him combined. From 1983 through 1985, with a Republican Senate, the debt was increasing at over 17% per year. While Mr. Reagan was in office this nation’s debt went from just under 1 trillion dollars to over 2.6 trillion dollars, a 200% increase. The sad part about this increase is that it was not to educate our children, or to improve our infrastructure, or to help the poor, or even to finance a war. Reagan’s enormous increase in the national debt was not to pay for any noble cause at all; his primary unapologetic goal was to pad the pockets of the rich. The huge national debt we have today is a living legacy to his failed Neo-Conservative economic policies. Reagan’s legacy is a heavy financial weight that continues to apply an unrelenting drag on this nation’s economic resources.

George Bush Sr. meekly followed in Reagan’s shadow after his election in 1988, by increasing the debt on average a mere 11.8% a year during his four years as President. In his last year in office he quite responsibly worked with Democrats to raise taxes to help reduce the massive yearly increases in the national debt. This bipartisan plan got the growth down to under 11% in 1992, but it was too little too late and didn’t make much difference in the overall trend. The Neo-Conservatives controlling the Republican Party rewarded him for putting the nation’s future above his party’s ideology by throwing him out of office even though it had hardly been a year since he won the Gulf War.

In 1993 President Clinton inherited the deficit spending problem and did more than just talk about it; he fixed it. In his first two years and with a cooperative Democratic Congress he set the course for the best economy this country has ever experienced. Then he worked with what could be characterized as the most hostile Congress in history, led by Republicans for the last six years of his administration. Yet, under constant personal attacks from the right, he still managed to get the growth of the debt down to 0.32% (one third of one percent) his last year in office. Had his policies been followed for one more year the debt would have been reduced for the first time since the Kennedy administration.

When President Bush II came into office in 2001 he quickly turned all that progress around. With the help of a Republican controlled Congress he immediately gave a massive tax cut based on a failed economic policy; perhaps an economic fantasy describes it better. The last year Mr. Clinton was in office the nation borrowed 18 billion dollars. The first year Mr. Bush II was in office he had to borrow 133 billion. The first tax cut Bush pushed through a willing Republican Congress caused an upswing in government borrowing that was supposed to stimulate the economy, but two years later Bush had to push through yet another tax cut. The second tax cut was needed because it was clear that the first one did not work. Economic history tells us the second did not work either. As a result of all his tax cutting with no cutting in spending, in 2003 President Bush set a record for the biggest single yearly dollar increase in debt in the nation’s history. He did it again in 2004, increasing the debt more than half a trillion dollars. Since 2003 total borrowing has exceeded $500,000,000,000 per year. Even Mr. Reagan never increased the debt that much in a single year; Mr. Reagan’s biggest increase was only 282 billion, half of GWB’s outrageous spending. As a result of the fact that the debt was already pretty high when Bush II entered office, his annual rate of increase is only averaging 7% per year so far. In 2006 he was holding press conferences bragging that the debt was increasing at the rate of only 300 billion dollars a year, yet in reality it was twice that. Again the facts do not match Neo-Con rhetoric.

Of course 7% growth is a misleading figure as it does not make clear that by so drastically increasing the total debt, the amount of the annual US budget dedicated to service the debt has grown to over 20%. Thanks to misguided Neo-Con ideological thinking, over a fifth of our budget does nothing to contribute to the growth or health of the nation.

It does not matter if you call it a war or an occupation, supporting Iraq is expensive. It just boggles the imagination of any fiscally responsible person that the Republican Congress and President have repeatedly cut taxes during this overly aggressive and very expensive era for our military. The nation is borrowing money so that the we can spend more on our military than all the other nations on Earth combined, and still the Neo-Cons are calling for even more tax cuts and even more military spending.

Mr. Bush is constantly claiming that the economy is great! What he leaves out is that he is buying that simulated good economy with his borrowed dollars; it is a false economy that could very well crash the minute the borrowing stops, yet for the sake of our future it must stop.
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:20 am

EnergyManager wrote:It does not matter if you call it a war or an occupation, supporting Iraq is expensive. It just boggles the imagination of any fiscally responsible person that the Republican Congress and President have repeatedly cut taxes during this overly aggressive and very expensive era for our military. The nation is borrowing money so that the we can spend more on our military than all the other nations on Earth combined, and still the Neo-Cons are calling for even more tax cuts and even more military spending.

Mr. Bush is constantly claiming that the economy is great! What he leaves out is that he is buying that simulated good economy with his borrowed dollars; it is a false economy that could very well crash the minute the borrowing stops, yet for the sake of our future it must stop.



Good post!
Now the Bush apologists will claim allot of this is due to 9/11...Which I remind you happened during his (Bush's ) watch & was largely a result of his not listening to warnings of his FBI who were concerned about Arabs taking flight lessons that didn't involve take-off or landing. If anyone bares the blame for failing to stop 9/11 it is GW Bush. The man has been a disaster & his party bares heavy responsibility for being his "Rubber Stamp".
We need to get the broom out in November!


Edit : To bring it down to the subject of this forum....coal....... Look how many newbies are joining in desperation as they know they will not be able to heat their homes next winter. It is truly sad & if you blame Carter for the economic mess of his times then you have to hold GW responsible now.
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:22 am

EnergyManager wrote:As a result of all his tax cutting with no cutting in spending, in 2003 President Bush set a record for the biggest single yearly dollar increase in debt in the nation’s history. He did it again in 2004, increasing the debt more than half a trillion dollars. Since 2003 total borrowing has exceeded $500,000,000,000 per year. Even Mr. Reagan never increased the debt that much in a single year; Mr. Reagan’s biggest increase was only 282 billion, half of GWB’s outrageous spending


For the record, adjusted for inflation... its almost the same amount. ;)
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: acesover On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 9:28 am

What a monster
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: EnergyManager On: Sun Jun 15, 2008 12:27 pm

I forgot to make this point
George W, Bush does not have any Energy Policy except "OIL" "OIL" "OIL" ..... and more "OIL"
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Re: Who was the worst president in your life time

PostBy: EnergyManager On: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:19 am

Another drop in the stock market yesterday on its way to 8000… Smell the roses I blame it all on the George Bush’s mis-management. The guy is clueless. Remember the Republicans had control of the white house for 20 of the last 28 years since 1980 and the 8 years of rule by Democratic we had good economic times.

Ok try to reach back 29 years and blame this on Jimmy Carter, if you try you are as clueless as George Bush. But don't worry George will have his big pension and Dick Cheney will sit on some big oil companies Board of Director for the big thank you payoff.

My vote without question or reservation is George Bush has overall, for being wrong and out of touch, he is our all time winner as the "Worst President in My Life"
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