IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:07 pm

Here's a pretty good article with a nifty idea, store the electricty in your car cell at night then sell it back to the the electric company in the day. :lol:


http://www.cleantechblog.com/2008/01/smart-grids-and-electric-vehicles.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


Actually makes quite a bit of sense because it will solve the problem of a lot of wasted electricity, only trouble there is if everyone was doing it the rates at night would rise to those during the day. :mad:

Here's another article: http://www.groovygreen.com/groove/?p=1782
According to a recent U.S. Department of Energy study, there is so much excess energy on the U.S. grid nightly that if every light-duty car and truck in America today used plug-in hybrid technology, 73 percent of them could be plugged in and “fueled” without constructing a single new power plant. So much for the myth that electric vehicles will cause more emissions.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: rberq On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:43 pm

A plug-in electric with a 40-mile range would take care of my daily commute, with enough juice left over to (maybe) run the heater in the Winter. As to the Chevy Volt, did I read correctly that GM expects the price to be $30,000? That's a lot of dough. I would be very skeptical of GM's commitment and ability to produce a quality product.

And here's something I don't understand. If the Volt will get 50 MPG on its IC engine after the battery is exhausted, why can't they put out a conventional car, right now, that will get the same 50 MPG?
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: coalkirk On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:50 pm

I'm pretty sure I read that the Volts engine is a generator enginge only and does power the wheels directly. It kicks on when the batteries are starting to lose it. It will power the vehicle and charge the battery.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: billw On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:00 pm

Trains engines have been doing that for 60 years, minus the batteries. Finally a company that is adapting that technology to a car.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:40 pm

I don't understand this "wasted electricity at night". All electricity that is generated is used. As people turn off the lights and go to bed, less power is produced. There is no extra that is lost. Power is lost through resistence in the power lines, and when it's transformed up or down, but other then that I know of no loss. If everyone stopped using ALL power, then every generator would stop generating, every dam would stop their tubines, and every nuclear plant would cease production. If no power at all is used, no power at all would be generated.
Put a volt meter in an outlet sometime. Over the course of a day you'll see it go from 110ish to 120ish. When it get's down to 110, they start another generator, or ramp up the nuclear. When it gets to 120, they shut something down.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:49 pm

Freddy, I'm not an expert but that never prevented me from sticking nose in things and specualting. :P Turning a coal fired plant on and off just isn't an option nor would it be for nuclear. I'd imagine there is better part of day if not longer to ramp them up from a full stop. The only thing I could see where that would be possible is in hydralic plant like a dam but that would be pretty pointless as it is the one energy we have that is essentially free. The minimum generation probably amounts from all these plants idling along is proabaly a lot. Think of New York city with all them office lights, computers and other devices consuming electrity... that's a lot of power that would required during the day and a lot of plants still going at night when there is no demand even if they did ramp them down.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:26 pm

As Freddy points out there is not wasted electricity. What is wasted in off hours (usually night time) is the capacity to make electricity. Plants that are easy to shut down like gas turbines are. Others are throttled back in one way or another. The discounted off peak rates are not to use up the wasted electricity but to make more continuous use of the power plant. As more long distance power distribution lines are built the problem will be somewhat reduced. Off peak power use also helps. The company where I spent most of my working career made 100 tons of ice each night using electric powered ice production units and during the day used that ice as cooling water for the building A/C. They had the largest electric service entrance in the county, 800 amps at 33KV, and got great prices for buying raw power.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: pbmax On: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:12 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_EV1

also

netflix the video "who killed the electric car"
You'll see that every car company had 0 emission vehicles in production. Ford Ranger, Mercury SUV on and on. All scrapped.

General Motors EV1
EV1
Manufacturer General Motors
Production 1996-1999 (1,117 units)
1997 Model Year: 660 units
1999 Model Year: 457 units
Assembly GM Lansing Craft Centre, Lansing, Michigan
Predecessor Impact (prototype)
Successor Chevy Volt (concept)
Class Electric car
Body style(s) 2 seat Subcompact
Layout FF layout
Engine(s) 3-phase AC Induction
Transmission(s) single speed reduction integrated with motor and differential
Fuel capacity Battery
(VRLA from Delphi 53 Ah
VRLA from Panasonic 60Ah
NiMH: 77 Ah); 120-220 V
Electric range 160 mi (260 km) (NIMH)
Designer General Motors
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: chubs On: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:05 am

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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: e.alleg On: Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:11 pm

What do you do in the winter? Is there a 39 mile range deduction for the electric toaster to warm up the cockpit? A '76 Honda CB360T gets 80 miles per gallon and goes 80 miles an hour, that's my pick. I own 11 of them :D
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:06 am

There is an NASCAR driver who has started to sell cars that run on compressed air. Here is a blurb: December 2, 2004 French engineers have designed a low consumption and low pollution engine for urban motoring that runs on compressed air technology. The CATS (Compressed Air Technology System) "air car" from Motor Development International is a significant step for zero-emission transport, delivering a compressed air-driven vehicle that is safe, quiet, has a top speed of 110 km/h and a range of 200 km. Costing next to nothing to run, the Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) range - which includes a pick-up truck and van - is set for release in early 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-A3XHFT5qc
http://www.gizmag.com/go/3523/
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:57 am

I'm very skeptical that anything being powered by compressed air is going to work well other than for very short distances on flat roads. You're going to need one hell of tank to hold enough air.
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Jun 11, 2008 8:44 pm

Honda CB360T -- good thing it WILL go 80 mph, so it can get you there quick in the winter before you turn to ice. :)
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: rberq On: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:06 pm

From info on the internet links, I've been trying to do the math in my head for the energy input (electric) to compress the air, vs. the quantity of gasoline equivalent to the electricity, vs. the claimed range of the vehicle. So far it (the math) is mostly a muddle, but seems at least to border on being valid. I guess that's my Internet project for the evening, to find more articles about CATS cars. If they were to be released in 2005, where are they?
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Re: IMAGINE: A DAILY COMMUTE WITHOUT USING A DROP OF GAS

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Wed Dec 21, 2011 3:38 pm

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