EFM 520 has landed

EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: billw On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 8:08 am

I picked up my EFM 520 yesterday. It's providing warmth already. I sweated my butt of getting it off the truck. :) My wife's first reaction when she saw it was 'It's huge'. My mind normally goes right to the gutter but I kept my sarcasm to myself. After 30 years I'm tired of the dog house.

Hopefully by the end of July I'll have this project wrapped up.
billw
 
Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520
Stove/Furnace Model: GOODBYE OIL COMPANY

Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:05 am

Congratulations,, !! progressive photos of the install would be nice to add to this thread... first,, the one with your 'sweat rings' all the way down to your belt ! With the EFM under one arm of course !! :D :D :lol:

Greg L

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: billw On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 10:21 am

Posting pics is a good idea Greg. Hopefully I can illustrate my amateur mistakes. Maybe it'll help the next DIYer. Besides, I can keep all of my dumb questions in one place. As far as the EFM under one arm, uhh it's bigger than me. Pun intended. :)
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Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520
Stove/Furnace Model: GOODBYE OIL COMPANY

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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:10 am

From my 'Moderator' view, I'd really like to see a good series of photos,, for exactly the reasons you suggest: helping the next DIY install... we can add commentary, edit as needed to create a good tutorial.

Of course each install is different, but the general ideas are almost all the same..

Greg L..

A few items I learned with my AA install,, forget pipe dope,, every threaded joint leaked.. I took it all apart and used 'Ultra-Black' gasket-sealant sold by 'Permatex'.. It's the sealant I use on all my automotive/truck work,, and I've never had a problem.. It works wonders on threaded pipe fittings..
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: billw On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:31 am

Sounds good Greg. Tonight I'll post one or two pics of the EFM as it sits now in pieces. Feel free to edit, delete, or modify what I post. I'm a sarcastic SOB. I'll try to keep that to a minimum but I usually am not very successful at it.
billw
 
Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520
Stove/Furnace Model: GOODBYE OIL COMPANY

Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:18 pm

If you want you can use the KB, I'd actually prefer that if you're going to go through the trouble.

Something like http://nepacrossroads.com/kb/e-f-m_520_Install

You could just start using that page, as you're going along i'll correct the formatting. ;) Get the info there and I'll take care of the rest.

If you don't want to do that... well... I'm taking ball and going home. :lol:
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:52 pm

Hi Richard, I was going to PM you about setting up the KnowledgeBase for this DIY install.. Can we run parallel posts/?

Greg L.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: Freddy On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:50 pm

Congratulations!! Wooohoooo! Ohhhh, this is gettin' exciting!

Greg, you didn't need better pipe dope, you needed more arm! (or bigger wrenches) :P
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:22 pm

Nope,, the pipe dope just plain didn't 'set'.. once the pipes got hot, the pipe dope ran out of the threads like 20wt oil... I use pretty good size pipe wrenches :D :D . and even the few threaded fittings that I re-tightened to the point I thought I might crush the pipe with the wrench's jaws.. still leaked.. The 'Ultra-Black RTV sealant works like it creates a continous 'O' ring seal all through the thread,[thanks Yanche!] , works like magic... Not one leak with the RTV..

Anyway, maybe a better quality pipe dope would do the job,, but a single tube of RTV only costs $3, and I used only one for the whole reseal.''Well worth the $$

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: billw On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:28 pm

Thanks Greg and Yanche,
you just eliminated one potential problem for me. :)
billw
 
Stove/Furnace Make: EFM 520
Stove/Furnace Model: GOODBYE OIL COMPANY

Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: jpen1 On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:07 pm

Greg,


Been there done that with the dope but we use a combination of products to make the stainless threads seal everytime , which are much less forgiving than black iron pipe. The first thing to rememgber is to clean the threads really good with 91% isopropl alcohol or acetone. Then with the end of the pipe staring you in the face wrap good USA. made teflon tape clockwise around the threads starting at the tend of the pipe and working to the center. Then use rectorseal 5 or LACO slicktight industrial. Then put the joint togethre and tighten it. Rember the thread itself is what really seals the joint not the tape or dope they lubricate the joint to allow good mating of the threads.
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:47 pm

I used teflon tape and pipe dope,, no luck.. the quality of the threading on pipe today is pretty bad.. rough, with jagged surfaces.. I won't even try anything but the RTV now.. because you know that the fitting that leaks is the one that required the disassembly of about ten other fittings to get to the leaker... it's just not worth it..

I just put a thin layer on both the female and male threads,, as the joint is threaded together a small bead 'leads' the male thread, and when tight, mechanically tight, I know the RTV will seal the threads.. forget the threads themselves sealing I've tightened a Teflon taped, doped joint 'till I crushed the pipe with the 48" long pipe wrench.. and it stil leaked... :mad: :mad:

Anyway,, RTV works for me..

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: Scottscoaled On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:46 pm

I like the idea of that gasket maker. I've done a couple boilers in the last couple weeks and used this black pipe dope that was just about the same stuff as that ultra black. It worked well also but was a nightmare because of the mess it made. Sort of like the Dr. Suess where the little spot keeps getting bigger. Anyway, the tube of gasket maker would be much easier to keep everything clean and increase the quality of the install. I'm going to be doing another unit soon and you can bet the tube of ultra black is coming along. Good idea Greg. :) Scott
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: jpen1 On: Mon Jun 09, 2008 9:17 pm

Greg is right the quality of a lot of the pipe fittings availiable at big box stores is not very good. I buy mine from a local plumbing shop or a supply house like IPS. A good test for fittings is to see how many complete revolutions you can turn a pipe into the fitting . A properly sized fitting will only allow 2 complete turns by hand with no dope or tape. Also threads should not be jagged and if so they are probably cut to deep or at too fast a cutting speed. Some food for thought for those getting custom length pipe threaded.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
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Re: EFM 520 has landed

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Jun 09, 2008 11:08 pm

LsFarm wrote:Hi Richard, I was going to PM you about setting up the KnowledgeBase for this DIY install.. Can we run parallel posts/?

Greg L.


Not sure what you mean by that, but there is also a discussion panel for articles. Note to BillW, and everyone else, the discussion panel is for discussing the article. ;) E.g if you wanted to discuss the article you can do it there. However if you want to use the forum or whatever it really doesn't matter. It would be nice if i could integrate that discussion panel into the forum... In any event I'm still not sure how to handle a lot of this but I'll tackle problems as they pop up. Right now I certainly would appreciate any contributions.

Again the idea is to get a set of articles and information that is a definitive source that you can reference in the forum. For example if someone wanted to know about installing a efm 520 you could juts point them to the article. As it fills up and i get it more tighly integrated you'll see the usefulness of what I'm doing but right now I'm sure its confusing to some.

Like I said the information itself is what is important. I or someone else that is familiar with how the software works can come along and clean it up afterwards. I already did some edits on bill's article, that's what is great about it, anyone can make edits to an article..

If anyone wants they go here, select a subject then edit in some information.

FYI his article can be found here: http://nepacrossroads.com/kb/e-f-m_520_Install
Richard S.
 
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