McCain or Obama

You Choice for the 2008 Presidential Canidate

McCain
73
69%
Obama
20
19%
Other
7
7%
Undecided
6
6%
 
Total votes : 106

Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: coalkirk On: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:33 am

Exxon made 40.6 billion in 2007 and paid 30 billion in taxes. Is that enough? They are a corporation and have an obligation to their share holders.
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:39 am

coalkirk wrote:Exxon made 40.6 billion in 2007
........

Not exactly....That's what they chose to report to the IRS. Big difference! (& you don't think they would dare fudge their books, do you?........knowing that GW's Justice Dept will just give them a wink)
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:06 am

beemerboy wrote:: Richard S. On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:30 pm
I object to the democrat agenda in general. As the way i see it I have the Democrats on one side that want to run my life and take all my money.
NEWS FLASH: all the government wants your money [their paycheck] and to run your life...

Which party wants to listen in on all of your phone calls and read your emails without warrant?
We were attacked from within,, we are at war,, they can listen to all my phone conversations anytime they want

Which party wants to hold you in prison in a foreign country without trial indefinitely?
Who?? Me?? NOPE, just the murdering torturing soldiers of the other side,, what part of survival do you not understand?

Which party wants to be able to torture you without limits?
Torture?? you mean seeing a naked woman? or giving them a bath for a change? or WHAT do you describe as torture,, How about the US soldier whose corpse was displayed on public television, his burned and broken corpse being hung in the air on a rope by his genitals.. ?? And you worry about waterboarding?? GET REAL

Which party wants to regulate who you marry?
Who cares?? This hasn't been successful anyway.. Get over it.

Which party wants to tell you how you believe in god (if you do)?
Sorry, I haven't seen this one,, I believe,, just not in organized religion,, what to start a thread on that?

Which party wants to prevent you from making the personal decision whether or not you can have an abortion?
One area that I do agree with you, but not a election stopper.

Which party spends more than a BILLION dollars a month in Iraq?
Mentioned many times, debated to near death... Fight the war there or fight it in New York and in the States.. You choose,, BTW, it won't be in my backyard.

Which party wants to remove all your Social Security benefits?
AHEM,, The F'ing Democrats took the SS Bank of money and spent it to support the 'Great Society' and other failed social programs.. Nothing like a Self serving Democrat to steal someone else's money that was put into 'safe keeping' for you... Yeah, thanks..LBJ

Which party wants to remove all your Medicare Benefits?
BS, that's a Democratic media twisting of the facts.. Medicare and any government program are horendously expensive because of paperwork.the government.the proposed changes are to put the people in some control of the process. At least that's the last I read on the subject.

Which party wants to force you to pay for your own health insurance and stop your employer from paying for it?
Stop your employer from paying for it?? WTF?? Socialized medicine doesn't work,, just ask a sick Canadian.. My Canadian friends come to the states to get medical care,,, the Socialized version doesn't work..

MOST of our social and political ills were started in the 60's with the creation of huge debt by LBJ and his 'Great Society' ,, thats when the long run of inflation started, that's when it became normal to have to have both parents working to support a family.
Thanks Democrats... for nothing !

The REPUBLICANS.
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:21 am

Hmm interesting results so far but not unexpected... Apprently Democrats don't like coal, must be too dirty and you might have to actually do some work. :P
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:04 am

Richard S. wrote:Hmm interesting results so far but not unexpected... Apprently Democrats don't like coal, must be too dirty and you might have to actually do some work. :P


<-----------Democrat here who has been heating with coal for over 1/4 century. :up:
(actually it is usually a Democrat who operates the stove/furnace in a Republican's home....It's just way to confusing for the average Republican! :lol: )
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:06 am

Close poll, its a nail biter. :P

Currently we have:


McCain, 15 votes, 60%

Obama, 6 votes, 24%

Other, 3 votes, 12%

Undecided, 1, 14%


Total votes : 25


Just posting it for future reference.
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: coalisorganic On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:26 am

Which party wants to listen in on all of your phone calls and read your emails without warrant?
Dems. I recall the clintons having all those fbi files on their "enemies"

Which party wants to hold you in prison in a foreign country without trial indefinitely?
Dems. I recall the clintons getting "help" from the saudis after terrorist attacks back in the day. Also I recall back in WWII a lot of germans were in prison in the USA without trial. The ones that did not get shot as spies, that is. FDR was a dem administration.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/kids/presiden ... evelt.html


Which party wants to be able to torture you without limits?
Dems. Janet Reno used torture on the wife of a man accused of some
false firearms violation back when she was just a local prosecuter. The wife was stripped naked and subjected to weeks of cold hose-downs in a cell in some state prison. She was abused and brainwashed by a specialist outfit "something Solutions" till she testified against her husband.

Which party wants to regulate who you marry?
Dems. They won't let me marry that three legged heffier in the barn.
By the way, if you want to see who you are supporting "marrige" for, go to zombietime.com and look at the "Up Your Alley Fair" entry near the top of the page. Looks like they need marriage, all right.

Which party wants to tell you how you believe in god (if you do)?
Dems. Janet Reno had the Branch Dividians set on fire for daring to choose their way of life and worship. If reno had wanted to arrest david koresh, she could have done that every day when he went into town for coffee and doughnuts. But no, reno had to prove she was a man's man and make an "example" of someone.


Which party wants to prevent you from making the personal decision whether or not you can have an abortion?
Which party demands abortion as a right but wants to disarm us and make self defense illegal/difficult? Dems. Which is side-splittingly funny. Dems love killing, as long as it is unborn kids. They hate it if you kill a felon, gang-banger or other likely dem voter.

Which party spends more than a BILLION dollars a month in Iraq?
So what. Have you ever heard of an investment? Do you think we should not have fought WWII? That was a lot more expensive. Do you like speaking german? Or do you prefer Japanese?

Which party wants to remove all your Social Security benefits?
Your troll is showing.

Which party wants to remove all your Medicare Benefits?
As above.

Which party wants to force you to pay for your own health insurance and stop your employer from paying for it?
Dems. By making health insurance tied to employment, dems make sure you risk losing it if you are job-less. You DO realize that the "employee" pays for the health insurance as it is now, right? Employers pay people less in salary because they have to pay the additional health insurance. Or are you a victim of the "FREE MONEY" delusion? If workers had portable health insurance, they could change jobs at will and be less dependent on govt. help. Dems don't want that.

None of this matters though. Obama has stated the only reason people oppose him is because of racism. Since BO is always right, we must all vote for BO lest we reveal our racism. :roll:

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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 10:54 am

coalisorganic wrote:None of this matters though. Obama has stated the only reason people oppose him is because of racism. Since BO is always right, we must all vote for BO lest we reveal our racism. :roll:



You need to turn off Rush, Sean Hannity & Fox News & look around at our economy my friend. :P

(How's your home's value & your 401K doing these days?)
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: beemerboy On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:08 pm

Richard S. wrote:Hmm interesting results so far but not unexpected... Apparently Democrats don't like coal, must be too dirty and you might have to actually do some work. :P



If you would only look at Obama's web page you would see that the above statement is not true! :nono: But then again, you just may have to turn off Fox News :fear: .

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/ about the middle of the page you will see:

Invest in a Clean Energy Future

* Invest $150 Billion over 10 Years in Clean Energy: Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial-scale renewable energy, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.

And also:

* Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology: Obama will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:45 pm

Nice post Beemer......The way I see this November's election is pretty simple if you read both Senator's tax plans:

If you make over $250,000 per year in income, it's in your best interests to vote for Sen. McCain.

If you make under $250,000 per year in income, it's in your best interests to vote for Sen. Obama.




Simple really. :D



Edit: But....In thinking about it, If you make over $250,000 per year in income.............What the hell are you doing here in the first place.......Slumming? :lol:
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 7:21 pm

Just dawned on me.....This will be the first time since 1960 (JFK) that a sitting US Senator is elected President of the US! :gee:
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:17 pm

Yup, only this time he'll be a lot older. :)
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:32 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Yup, only this time he'll be a lot older. :)


Nah....Just four years older. Kennedy was 43 when elected President in 1960 & Obama will just be 47 when he is elected this year! :nana:
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: Richard S. On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:20 pm

beemerboy wrote: But then again, you just may have to turn off Fox News :fear: .


I rarely watch any news except surfing through the networks in the evening. I get most of news here or elsewhere from a variety of sources. The talking heads to put it bluntly bore me. They all have an agenda...

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy/ about the middle of the page you will see:


, invest in low-emissions coal plants, and begin the transition to a new digital electricity grid. A principal focus of this fund will be devoted to ensuring that technologies that are developed in the U.S. are rapidly commercialized in the U.S. and deployed around the globe.


Check your second paragraph in red or read the energy plan PDF, http://l.barackobama.com/issues/pdf/Ene ... Sheet.pdf/

His plan is to stop construction of any new coal plant that cannot meet strict new guidelines on CO emissions. e.g if it takes 10 or 20 years to develope technology to make them emission free then none will be built in that timeline. His agenda is clear either coal plants are CO free (or mostly CO free) or they won't be built. In the meantime this country will be sliding deeper into an energy crisis and if his plan for clean energy fails we'll all be up shits creek. He's rolling the dice.

I often hear the comment we need a commitment like the Manhattan Project or going to the moon but what many people fail to remember is although those programs were successful they were both going into the unknown and gambles that succeeded. I'm not interested in having a president gambling with my future. It's inevitable that green energy is the way of the future but to do it all out without taking other things into consideration is ludicrous.
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Re: McCain or Obama

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:27 pm

Devil5052 wrote:Obama will just be 47 when he is elected this year! :nana:


Don't bet your coal supply on it. :shock:
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