McCain or Obama

So who's your choice for the 2008 presidential election. I'm voting for McCain. Truthfully i think it's going to be a real battle.

Note that I'm leaving open the possibility to change your vote at any time.

Edit: in case anyone is wondering no I can't tell how anyone voted in any of these polls other than manually looking it up in the database. It can be done but its not something I would do.

Can you add a category, None of the above? I'd be real curious to see how many really don't like any of these jerks. I guess I'm showing my preference. So much for secret polls.

Get a good look at it, won't last long.

Does anyone truly believe the Republicans have earned the right to retain the White House after the disaster of their stewardship over the last 8 years? (McCain has voted with GW's policies 95% of the time)

billw wrote:Can you add a category, None of the above? I'd be real curious to see how many really don't like any of these *censored*.

I considered that but figured everyone would vote for NOB so didn't include it. I think its safe to say no one is happy with any of the politicians.

Devil5052 wrote:Does anyone truly believe the Republicans have earned the right to retain the White House after the disaster of their stewardship over the last 8 years? (McCain has voted with GW's policies 95% of the time)

Considering the alternative.... absolutely.

Richard S. wrote:Considering the alternative.... absolutely.

Can you be more specific on what Obama policies you would object to Richard? (& you really think they would put the US in worse shape than the mess we are presently in?)

I object to the democrat agenda in general. As the way i see it I have the Democrats on one side that want to run my life and take all my money or the Republicans on the other side that are not protecting my interests against big business. Neither is acceptable IMO for the working middle class however I'd rather see my money going to big business instead of down a hole never to be seen again.

: Richard S. On: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:30 pm
I object to the democrat agenda in general. As the way i see it I have the Democrats on one side that want to run my life and take all my money.

Which party wants to listen in on all of your phone calls and read your emails without warrant?
Which party wants to hold you in prison in a foreign country without trial indefinitely?
Which party wants to be able to torture you without limits?
Which party wants to regulate who you marry?
Which party wants to tell you how you believe in god (if you do)?
Which party wants to prevent you from making the personal decision whether or not you can have an abortion?
Which party spends more than a BILLION dollars a month in Iraq?
Which party wants to remove all your Social Security benefits?
Which party wants to remove all your Medicare Benefits?
Which party wants to force you to pay for your own health insurance and stop your employer from paying for it?

The REPUBLICANS.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to listen in on all of your phone calls and read your emails without warrant?

Like I said i don't agree with everything and the spying on U.S citizens is definitely a sore point. Necessary for a lot of things and on the other hand quite invasive. We need a new line, not sure where its at. You could prevent them from doing this if you wanted, email can be encrypted and its not that hard to do. Same with phone conversations or any communications for that matter.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to hold you in prison in a foreign country without trial indefinitely?

Frankly I don't give a *censored*, do you really think the majority of them don't belong there? We should worry about the unnecessary conviction and detainment of our own people before them... Really, people getting off of death row after 20 years.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to be able to torture you without limits?

You're off on that comment, the "torture" inflicted on any of those non-American prisoners was limited and against a very limited population.. e.g high scale people with a lot of information. There wasn't any whole scale torture, at least not any confirmed reports. And again Frankly I don't give a *censored*, if the minor torture inflicted on those people yielded some very good information then so be it.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to regulate who you marry?

You got a point there but on my scale of 1 to 10 of importance it ranks a -10.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to tell you how you believe in god (if you do)?

Ummm... nevermind.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to prevent you from making the personal decision whether or not you can have an abortion?

Gee you hit upon the one part that of our lives that the Republicans want to control, in any event the abortion issue is one I sit on the fence. At very least it should be kept legal to prevent the inevitable abortions that will performed by unqualified people.

beemerboy wrote:Which party spends more than a BILLION dollars a month in Iraq?

I've already made my thoughts on this known in numerous other threads.

beemerboy wrote:Which party wants to remove all your Social Security benefits?
Which party wants to remove all your Medicare Benefits?

The social services avaiable in the U.S. is a broken system, as far as Social Security goes I think it should be abolished. Those that have already paid in should get whats coming to them and that's it. I don't want the government to to take care of my future, I can do it myself.

Which party wants to force you to pay for your own health insurance and stop your employer from paying for it?

Haven't read about that but there was great show on PBS about the succesful healthcare sytems in the world. There was some main points that the most successful one used:

• Mandatory enrollment for everyone.
• Prices for services were fixed, each hospital could only charge what the other one did.
• They were able to control prices for drugs, equipment and other things because the companies had to deal with one entity.
• all of the above drastically reduced office costs, there was pretty stratling figure I heard on the show. If I remember correctly 25% of the medical costs in the U.S. go to paperwork.

Socialized medicine certainly has some benefits but its not perfect either, many people would have to give up a lot of personal freedom to make it work. In the end you may increase the health of the general population but I'm not so sure its such a great idea for the overall benefit of everyone. The docots for example in many of those countries were not making very much money, hardly any incentive to go through all that work just end up making less that some other guy that went to school for few years.

Is this one of the things about Obama's planned policies that you disagree with?

Obama backs oil profits tax, attacks McCain

""I'll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we'll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills," the Illinois senator said."

Full story here: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080609/pl_ ... tics_dc_95


Sen. McCain wants to continue GW's protection for Exxon-Mobil's windfall profits....Do you?

It's called capitalism and it has worked quite well for better than the last 200 years. If people are going to pay $4 for a gallon of gas how can you blame the oil companies? Now I'm not saying I agree with them making billions in profits and their soaring profits however I really loathe government meddling in business. Ultimately the consumer usually suffers. The soaring cost of gasoline isn't all their doing either, they happen to be in the position to profit from it. The market and the supply will ultimately dictate the cost of gas.

Richard S. wrote:Now I'm not saying I agree with them making billions in profits and their soaring profits however I really loathe government meddling in business.

..."It's called capitalism and it has worked quite well for better than the last 200 years"....


I guess some people would argue that Al Capone was just a Capitalist then.
(even the Republicans are screaming for criminal investigations (some of which have already started) in re gasoline prices that appear to be being criminal manipulated.....The question these investigations seek to prove is....by who?) Thus, any argument about legitimate market forces (like supply & demand) don't work when there is criminal manipulation going on)



A few questions for you:


Are you against levying a windfall profits tax on the oil companys, & if so, why? (serious question Richard)

Are you against the anti-trust legislation (at the turn of the century) that made price fixing & monopolys illegal?

Government does have an important & legitimate role to play in protecting the vast majority of us (who are hanging on by a thread here) in what's left of the middle class.

Devil if its found the oil companies colluded with price fixing schemes or other illegal activities I'm all for prosecution however they shouldn't be penalized simply for making a profit however large it may be. Penalizing companies just because they made a profit goes against everything the U.S. is about, capitalism is what made this country what it is today.

""I'll make oil companies like Exxon pay a tax on their windfall profits, and we'll use the money to help families pay for their skyrocketing energy costs and other bills," the Illinois senator said."

I don't see any mention there of investigating for illegal practices in the article you linked too, I hear a Robin Hood sounding statement of taking money from rich people and giving it to the little guy. Let's not forget it will be a tax on the oil companies, frankly I don't see how that will help anything and very well could drive the prices up even further.

Richard S. wrote:I don't see any mention there of investigating for illegal practices in the article you linked too

Not in those links Richard: (*here are just a few)

Bush Calls For Probe Of Rising Gas Prices (Listed right under the investigation called for by the fox as to where all the chickens are disappearing too)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01900.html

On Tuesday, the House Energy and Commerce subcommittee on investigations plans a hearing into evidence of possible price gouging and other market manipulation by oil companies.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/busin ... =permalink



I'll give you odds that "someone" is guilty of criminal activity here. (& no Greg, I was very careful to only take one "conspiracy theory enhancement " pill today!

Let me borrow an old Republicans saying (Slighly updated)

"Are you better off today then you were 8 years ago."

NO, not even close..... The problem with Obama is I see no real substance I cannot put my hands around what he really will do since he lacks any solid platform. As for McCain I could not survive another four years of George Bush type policies. I and others will be broke.. If George Bush was a CEO of any big corporation he would have been fired unceremonially years ago. (Except maybe from his good ole boys oil companies)

Instead he gets the Golden Parachute or should I say he gets the Coal Mine we get the Shaft.