Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: JafaDog On: Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:27 pm

I bit the bullet this morning and ordered the 503 from the dealer who does installs. It cost a little more than the DIY route, but, like CapeCoaler said, if there is a problem, they own it. And then there's the fact that I won't have to pick the stove up myself, get in the the house, and wrestle it into the fireplace. Sure, I could do it myself for less money. But it's much easier to let them do it. And now my homeowner's insurance will be satisified.

The dealer actually sold a 503 to another customer while I was going back and forth between the dealer and the wife, so he'll be ordering the two of them from Hitzer today. He said it would be 4-6 weeks until it came in.

Thanks to everyone for the advice. I'll try to post photos when it comes in.
JafaDog
 
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: jcb On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:27 am

I’ve been monitoring the forums and am thinking about jumping on board the coal heating bandwagon. The Hitzer 503 insert seems to be the best option for my 50’s ranch north of Boston Ma and I was wondering where CapeCoaler found a prices less than $2k. I’ve called around and of the dealers that I got in touch with the new post 7/1 going price for the unit was about $2200+ with the best price from Squire Lumber out of Monson Ma. Currently there is about a 5-7 week wait that is not going to get any shorter, and with the price of fuel and materials rising I’m sure the price will continue to increase too, so if I’m going to pull the trigger I’d like to do it over the next week.

My living room fireplace has probably never been used and appears in good condition with dimensions that are centered between the min/max required clearances for the insert. I was planning on doing the pickup and work myself but would love to save the time if I found a dealer with a reasonable price, I can’t afford the chimney guy.

Any advice or input would sure be appreciated by a newbie
jcb
 
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Stove/Furnace Model: 503 Insert

Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: topper On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:06 am

I ordered a Hitzer 503 on 6/13 from a dealer here in northern Maine. Price was significantly less than $2000.00. Not sure if they could take your order and ship directly to you or not. That may not be permissable under dealer arrangements...
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 9:59 am

jcb, call Hitzer directly,,, tell them the quoted prices.. HItzer will ship directly to a customer if there is not a current Hitzer dealer within a certain mileage... I don't know the required miles.. A 503 should be around ~$15-1600, last I looked.

Greg L.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: jcb On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:13 am

Topper thanks for the reply. From the Hitzer website I found 2 dealers in Maine. One is in Easton (380m) and the other in Damariscotta (150m) both of which are a hike, so delivery would probably cost the difference of me picking it up, and I rather not spend all day driving. It’s always an option though. Thanks again.
jcb
 
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Stove/Furnace Model: 503 Insert

Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: jcb On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:21 am

Greg, you must have posted while I was responding to topper. The nearest dealer is only about 50 miles away, but they were getting $2450, best price was $2200 80 miles away. I plan on doing some more calling on Monday, seems to work better than email. I’ll send an email to Hitzer directly, If I could get set up for under $2k I’d love to. Thanks for the idea.
jcb
 
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:10 am

jcb, I highly recommend telephoning,, the HItzer people are really nice people, and will help if they can... they are VERY busy, like all coal appliance manufacturers right now.. so emails may not get answered for a few days.. I recommend the phone..

With a Hitzer dealer so close,, you may have a problem getting a direct shipment to your location, but if you complain about the $2450 price,, maybe Hitzer will still sell you one direct... worth a try..

Good luck.. Greg L

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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:15 am

I purchased the stove before July 1 direct from Hitzer. Hitzer will ship direct to a retail customer if you are outside the service area for a dealer.
Call Hitzer and see if they will ship direct to you. The direct price from Hitzer was $1625 plus $206 delivery.
The price was going up to $1675 July 1, it may have gone higher with the huge metals increases.The closest dealer was 2 hours away and did not want to service the Cape. The delivery is to a commercial location with dock and forklift. Anybody who has a device that does not burn oil or gas will be charging a premium for it and if it can be delivered before November it is even more valuable. The free market system works. I have 5 stoves that were picked up before everyone started to flip out over the oil prices and pushed anyone who would listen to buy a coal stove early, they are thanking me now. When the prices goes higher more production can be put into place . In fact a company on the Cape is thinking about producing their coal stove again and it is UL approved.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: jcb On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:00 pm

Guys, thanks a ton for the advice. I’ll follow up my email with a phone call to the Hitzer folks on Monday. If they would be willing to deliver anywhere in Eastern Ma directly I would gladly pick it up at a commercial location and would still save $400 bucks over what the dealers are asking.

Hopefully soon I’ll hope to be able to contribute rather than just ask for advice.
jcb
 
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: topper On: Fri Jul 04, 2008 12:08 pm

Maybe you can use "my" price for dickering w a dealer - I paid $1646.00 - plain jane stove - at the Easton, ME dealer on 6/13 - sounds like the price may or has gone up a bit since... Good Luck!!
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: JafaDog On: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:41 am

For me, it came down to one of three options: 1. Buy from a dealer who doesn't do installations and DIY-it (having the local building inspector sign off on it); 2. Buying it from a dealer who doesn't do installations and have a local chimney sweep/masonry guy install it; or 3. Buy it from a dealer who does installations. Buying direct from Hitzer wasn't really an option for me--no access to a commercial dock and forklift.

Two of the three dealers in my area (within 100 miles) don't do installations, although they had the best prices on the stove. After getting an astronomic estimate from my usual Chimney Guy, I called around to numerous other chimney sweep companies, etc. All of them either wouldn't install products that they don't sell or declined because they had never installed a coal insert before (although they had installed wood and pellet inserts). So #2 was out, and #1 didn't thrill me either (although I almost went with #1 since it would have left me more money to buy extra coal for next year).

I ended up going with #3, which was cheaper than #2 but more expensive than #1. In the end, I paid much more for the stove than I could have/should have (I won't embarass myself my saying exactly how much, but it was well over $2,000). And the dealer doing the installation is about 1.5 hours away, which incurred extra installation costs since I am out of their "normal" service area (I'm about 60 miles away from the dealer).

I'm OK with paying extra at this point. The prices are just going to keep climbing as demand increases, and supply will likely not be able to keep up with demand, especially as we get closer to Fall. Better to buy it now and take a relatively slight hit rather than wait a month or two and really get slammed. Plus it's getting delivered to my house and professionally installed, which makes me and my homeowner's insurance company happy. I had to pay extra for that convenience, but for my situation, it was worth it. YMMV.

Regardless of how you end up getting your Hitzer and what you end up paying for it, I think you made a good choice (but of course I'm biased). There are plenty of excellent stoves and inserts out there. What sold me on the Hitzer 503 was its gravity-fed hopper (no electricity needed) and the fact that it sits mostly inside my fireplace rather than outside (as the Alaska, Keystoker and Harman "inserts" do). As far as I know, there aren't any other inserts out there with those two specific traits.

Best of luck in your Hitzer 503 quest.
JafaDog
 
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Jul 05, 2008 11:23 am

Oil will only cost more so do not fret over the extra money.
Now you have the chance to take plenty of pictures of the install process to post.
No pulled muscles or damaged digits.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: JafaDog On: Sat Jul 05, 2008 4:40 pm

CapeCoaler, it's like you're a mindreader or something. :D

Hopefully I will be able to get some good photos of the installation. Can't operate my shiny new Nikon D40 with smashed fingers, now, can I?
JafaDog
 
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Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: jcb On: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:43 pm

Greg

I received an email from Hitzer this morning simply stating that I need to purchase the 503 insert from my local dealer.

I took your advice and called Hitzer directly anyway. On the 2nd ring the phone was answered and I was able to place an order for $1675 plus shipping to Boston for about $200. I was really contemplating driving 100 miles up to Wakefield NH to purchase the base unit for $2175, which is where I found the best price from a dealer. What I would have saved in taxes I would have spent in gas not to mention the 4 hours spent driving, so it really came down to $1875 vs $2175. Call me crazy but I picked saving $300 with delivery to a freight yard 15 miles away, of course I really didn’t save $300. I had to fancy it up with the $165 gold door upgrade to sell the wife on the idea.

Thanks again for all the help and advice. Now I have 2 months to clean the chimney and perform any required repairs before I take delivery and install the unit. I hope to document the process in order to share the knowledge with any other newbie’s.
jcb
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Hitzer
Stove/Furnace Model: 503 Insert

Re: Hitzer 503 Insert Installation

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:44 am

Glad this worked out for you.. I'm sure you and your wife will like the Hitzer..escecially with the coal hopper feature,, 24 hours per loading with moderate weather... almost as good as a stoker.

Greg L
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