John McCain’s VP Pick?

Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: Dallas On: Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:38 pm

He's a "lawyer"! ... that's how they make their big $$$. :P The Democrats haven't had a non lawyer nominee since 1976 or around there, except for one. http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/ ... 270645.php

Edit: BTW, I've never met a lawyer, who I liked!
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:56 am

Let it be known that I don't trust McCain, but I have been energized by his pick of Palin. Otherwise, I would have not voted for the Presidential slot in this race.

Obama reminds me of a cheap paper empty suit.

Bill O'Reilly is raking him over the coals in his exclusive interview. I can hardly wait to see the continuation of it on Mon. Tue, and Wed. next week.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:10 am

I heard MCcain's speech last night and while the content was good he wasn't passionate at all. It was as if he was just reading a speech. He could learn from his VP pick.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:57 am

Greta van Susteren interviewed 3 people who worked with Gov. Palin in Alaska.


http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3073672&referralPlaylistId=playlist
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:04 am

Palin is far to the right of most Americans, let alone just women. (no abortion even in cases of rape or incest?.....come on!)
She lied about the bridge to nowhere, which she first supported, etc.......Just a typical, far right side of the party Republican. She will be rejected by the vast majority of her target audience.....Women.
(if the Dems are smart they will forget her & keep McCain in their sights. Keep pointing out how he has practically said he will be GW Bush's third term by following all of Bush's policies)
Let Hillary blow Palin, (who is just a distraction) out of the water!
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:23 am

Devil505 wrote:She will be rejected by the vast majority of her target audience.....Women.

Women are not really her "target audience", conservatives are.

"Sixty percent of Americans considered themselves conservative."

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/ ... _in_p.html
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:42 am

Devil505 wrote:Palin is far to the right of most Americans, let alone just women. (no abortion even in cases of rape or incest?.....come on!)
She lied about the bridge to nowhere, which she first supported, etc.......Just a typical, far right side of the party Republican. She will be rejected by the vast majority of her target audience.....Women.
(if the Dems are smart they will forget her & keep McCain in their sights. Keep pointing out how he has practically said he will be GW Bush's third term by following all of Bush's policies)
Let Hillary blow Palin, (who is just a distraction) out of the water!

I consider myself conservative but I'm not one of those for which abortion is a huge issue. I think her stance on abortion is wrong if she said no abortion, even in the case of rape or incest. On the other side of the coin, I think it is horrible that many women in this day and age of modern medicine and readily available birth control, use abortion as their method of birth control. I think abortions should be a states issue. I also think they should only be available during the first trimester. Late term abortions are a barbaric act and should be reserved for only cases where the life of the mother is actually in danger.
I've not heard anyone but democrats say McCain is running for Bush's third term. That's a clever but inaccurate moveon.org propoganda slogan.
I'm not sure what you meant by "Let Hillary blow Palin out of the water." I do know this. If McCain/Palin are elected, and something happens to McCain, Hillary will have to be put on suicide watch. :lol: Gloria Steinam said "the only thing Palin and Hillary have in common is a chromosone", trying to make sure disenchanted Hillary supporters don't go to Palin. I say thank god the only thing they have in common is a chromosone. Steinem also said being a Hillary supporter and now voting for McCain/Palin is like losing a pair of shoes and deciding to cut your feet off. Pretty good line. Steinam as you may recall was a one time Playboy bunny who came to feminism late in life. Some age better than other I guess.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:15 am

coalkirk wrote:I think her stance on abortion is wrong if she said no abortion, even in the case of rape or incest.


I don't have time to look it up right now Terry but a search online will show that is an accurate statement in re her position on abortion & is on the far right of even her party. Certainly not the beliefs of a vast majority of women voters.


coalkirk wrote:I've not heard anyone but democrats say McCain is running for Bush's third term. That's a clever but inaccurate moveon.org propoganda slogan.


I've had this same argument with many forum members & especially Greg. It is not Moveon.org that is the genesis of .....It is what John McCain's own words & his 95% Bush supported voting record that are promising that to the American voter. I have repeatedly challenged anyone here to come up with some significant differences that a President McCain would bring, over a President Bush in terms of their foreign policies, their economic policies, their positions on virtually every issue. They are virtually the same! (hell...the very speech John McCain gave the other night at the convention was written by GW Bush's speech writers!)
So, I'll ask you Terry: Specifically, how would a McCain Presidency differ from the GW Bush one we now have in terms of foreign, domestic or economic policy differences? (I'm even willing to bet his Cabinet would retain allot of Bush appointees: I'm guessing that Rice would remain Sec. of State, Gates would stay on at Defense, etc)




Edit: BTW, not to turn this into an abortion debate & I mention it only due to S. Palin's extreme stance on abortion, but I agree with you as far as your belief that abortion should be a state's rights issue. Bush & McCain favor a federal ban on any abortion through the resending of Roe v Wade. The next President will probably get to appoint at least 3 Supreme Court Justices, so there goes a woman's chances of getting a legal, safe abortion...even in cases of rape. Back to the dark alleys for them & jail for doctors!


Opinion: McCain/Palin represent no change at all (or a giant step backwards) but many other candidates, including Obama & Ron Paul represent a real break from GW Bush & a step into the future.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 11:56 am

coalkirk wrote:I'm not sure what you meant by "Let Hillary blow Palin out of the water."


Sorry....I missed this question.
What I meant was that I think most people would agree that S. Palin surprise choice to be John McCain's running mate is a direct plan to achieve a few goals:

1. Appeal to the conservative base of the Republican party to excite & shore up their support in November.
2. Appeal to women in general to vote for a McCain/Palin ticket
3. Appeal specifically to the 18 million female voters who supported Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary's.

I think they have achieved goal # 1, but in doing so have lost any chance they had of achieving goal #'s 2 & 3.
Specifically, a strong denunciation of Palin , by Hillary Clinton will turn almost all her (Hillary's) supporters strongly against McCain/Palin.
Hillary will point out that Palin does not stand with her (Hillary) on most women's issues & she will go on to say that women should all feel insulted by her (Palin's) choice as McCain' running mate. That women will not flock to Palin just because they happen to all share the same sexual organs! :lol:

That's what I meant & I think it will be very effective in canceling out women as a voting block for McCain. Without women voter support this November, they can't hope to win the election, no matter how strongly their conservative base is energized.

Opinion: I feel that such a huge gamble by John McCain (to pick the unknown & nationally untested Palin as his running mate) displays desperation & such a tremendous lack of judgment as to what American voters want, that this alone shows that he (McCain) doesn't have the judgment necessary to be the next president.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:00 pm

It shows how precious she thinks a human life is, she is a Christian. Show me where she said she would want written into law a ban on abortion in the case of rape.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:09 pm

Gov. Palin’s radio address:


http://www.johnmccain.com/Downloads/0905_PALIN_WRA.mp3
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:19 pm

spc wrote:Show me where she said she would want written into law a ban on abortion in the case of rape.



Sarah Palin on Abortion


Choose life, even if her own daughter were raped
The candidates were pressed on their stances on abortion and were even asked what they would do if their own daughters were raped and became pregnant.

Palin said she would support abortion only if the mother's life was in danger (my emphasis). When it came to her daughter, she said, "I would choose life."

Knowles, responding to the scenario involving his daughter, said he would counsel her and talk to her, but it would be her decision. "I would love her and support her no matter what decision she made," he said
Source: Alaska 2006 Governor Debate: AP coverage of public TV debate Nov 3, 2006

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Sarah_P ... ortion.htm




If you're going to get into a "show me the written into law" part of your question, I'll have to do some more research when I have time Stephen.

Suffice it to say that she is against abortion , even in cases of rape or incest & I will search for the "written into law" knit picking that you require. :lol:
I think her extreme abortion stance is pretty clear & pretty extreme, even for her party.

This is not meant in any way to say her abortion views are right or wrong, but they are undeniably not in the "Main Stream" of her party or women's views in general.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: spc On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:03 pm

Devil505 wrote:When it came to her daughter, she said, "I would choose life."


When it came to her daughter, (my emphasis).
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 1:54 pm

I read that 75% of women who become pregant from rape, which is a very small number, don't believe in abortion anyway. I don't think this is a major issue. There are bigger fish to fry.
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Re: John McCain’s VP Pick?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Sep 06, 2008 2:19 pm

traderfjp wrote: I don't think this is a major issue. There are bigger fish to fry.


Good point!

Let's not have Richard lock this subject because it turned into an abortion thread.
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