Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: siblay On: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:34 pm

Had a previous post, have done some more research, but still need some help before I purchase.
My home is 1470 sq. feet, cape with living/dining/kitchen/den and full bath on 1st floor, 2 bed, 1 bath 2nd floor. Built in '48, probably a little draftier than average, insulated with old stuff and certainly not an award winner when it comes to holding heat.
I'm looking at the MarkII at 72k BTU and the two Saey products (92 at 50k BTU or Hanover 1 at 60k). Looking at venting through my fireplace and heating the 2 floors. On paper it seems I would be safe with either choice, but......
Will I be OK with just radiant Saey model, or better off with the blower of the MarkII?
Does the Harman blower simply plug in to a wall outlet or does it need to be wired?
Is 50 or 60 BTU enough (the Saey website says the 92 covers 16-2200 SF and the Hanover 19-2500 SF), or should I step up to the 72K of the MarkII (which is listed at 1900 SF)? Am I better off burning low in the MArk or Burning hot in a smaller stove? I've heard it is harder to do the former and would think the latter would lead to warping and short lifespan for a unit.
I absolutely love the look of the Saeys. To me they are a nice piece of furniture to build a room around. The MarkII is OK aesthetically, but seems to be more of a workhorse and heat machine.
Plenty of good press around on the MarkII, but not much on the Saey. Any Saey owners around? Anyone know much about these?
Looking forward to joining the brotherhood of coal burners.
Appreciate any replies.
siblay
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: Markl

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Jun 25, 2008 10:02 pm

If you can still get one,, get the Mark II, with the blower.. you don't have to use the blower,, but you will be very glad you have it when the weather gets really cold.. The fan washed the heat off the stove, and into the house,, instead of having it go up the chimney with a hot burning radiant only stove..

The Harman Mark series has a very good reputation, and you can always find a buyer for one if you want to sell it to upgrade or install a central coal heating appliance.

Greg L.
LsFarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:03 am

Absolutely agree on the Harman with a blower. Saey may be a good stove but I have not seen any recommendations here but plenty of us are happy Harman owners. Here is my Harman TLC-2000 which I think is a good looking stove too.
http://www.harmanstoves.com/callouts.asp?id=7
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Visit Hitzer Stoves

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Steve.N On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:50 am

The MKII blower plugs into the wall no switch or speed control like the TLC2000 blower has. My only objection is the fan tends to be a little noisey in operation but it is better than being cold. I heat a 1600 sq-ft house with an attached 14X18 heated greenhouse. My MKII will supply the total heat needs of the house except the basement. After I start my central wood boiler I still run the harman low to save wood. I find that it burns good at all firing rates. I saved over two full cord last year and will sell it this fall to buy coal.
Steve.N
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman mkII
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260 at store

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:04 am

Steve.N wrote:he MKII blower plugs into the wall no switch or speed control like the TLC2000 blower has. My only objection is the fan tends to be a little noisey in operation but it is better than being cold.



What I did was buy my own variable speed blower fan (
http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/bb3000.html
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
) & connected it to my Harman with a few cheap duct fittings. Works great, is fairly quiet & was allot cheaper than the Harman blower
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Steve.N On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:01 am

Interesting blower, that must put out a lot more air than the Harnam also
Steve.N
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman mkII
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260 at store

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:31 am

Steve.N wrote:Interesting blower, that must put out a lot more air than the Harnam also


It's rated at 300cfm at top speed (which I never need) & I think the Harman is rated around 275cfm at top speed. Not positive. Another thing I like was the price....I got it at Lowes (early last winter when it was out of season) & only paid between $20-$30.00 on it! (forget the exact price) The Harman blower is around $150-$175 I think??

Final thing I like is that I have it sitting on the brick floor behind the stove & connected via duct fittings, so there is no vibration noise in the stove.


Edit: Toying with the idea of connecting the blower up to a thermostat this winter, so that it will kick on/off automatically.
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:36 pm

The Harman Fans are

135cfm on the Mag stoker

135cfm on the DVC 500

135cfm on TLC 2000

76cfm on The Mark I & II

Mark III is 135cfm

The Sf 250 is 135 cfm

The Elite insert has two 75 cfm Fans
coal berner
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1986 Electric Furnace Man 520 DF
Stove/Furnace Make: Electric Furnace Man
Stove/Furnace Model: DF520

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:19 pm

coal berner wrote:135cfm on TLC 2000



Wow!! .....So my little fan even on quiet, low or medium speeds is putting out almost double the air of the Harman blower!
I like it even more now :up:
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:04 pm

I bought a used SAEY Hannover 1 this past early spring. I've only used it for a month or so before it warmed up enough outside that I no longer needed it burning. When I first started it, it took about three hours to warm the 550 pounds of cast iron but it maintained a good even temperature.

For air circulation I have a ceiling fan that I keep on low speed and a small fan that I have connected to a motor speed control that I got from the company I retired from. I set the fan to a fairly slow speed and it circulates the heat just fine.
beemerboy
 
Stove/Furnace Make: SAEY
Stove/Furnace Model: Hannover 1

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: EasyRay On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 4:15 pm

I have the Harman blower on my stove and almost never run it above half speed. Usually just somewhere between low and half way. Its variable speed is a plus. It just bolts on and plug it in.
I don't know if any of the Mark series are variable speed.
EasyRay
 
Hand Fed Coal Stove: Harman TLC 2000
Coal Size/Type: Pea,Nut or Stove

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: coal berner On: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:31 pm

Devil5052 wrote:
coal berner wrote:135cfm on TLC 2000



Wow!! .....So my little fan even on quiet, low or medium speeds is putting out almost double the air of the Harman blower!
I like it even more now :up:

Yep Just Remember who told you to put a Fan on your stove & why ;)
coal berner
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1986 Electric Furnace Man 520 DF
Stove/Furnace Make: Electric Furnace Man
Stove/Furnace Model: DF520

Re: Mark II w/ Blower Vs. Saey Radiant

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:38 am

coal berner wrote:Yep Just Remember who told you to put a Fan on your stove & why ;)



:notworthy: :woot:
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Visit Hitzer Stoves