Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:48 pm

The only manure is that its listed as flip flop:


http://www.washingtonindependent.com/view/this-is-not-a-flip
This is Not a Flip-Flop: McCain Applauds Webb's GI Bill

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced his support today for a popular veterans' education proposal after the bill was tweaked to allow soldiers to transfer the benefits to family members. That change, McCain contends, will provide incentive for troops to remain in uniform longer -- a provision he says is vital for an all-volunteer military.


That was right before it was voted on.

“There are fundamental differences,” McCain told Politico. “He creates a new bureaucracy and new rules. His bill offers the same benefits whether you stay three years or longer. We want to have a sliding scale to increase retention. I haven’t been in Washington, but my staff there said that his has not been eager to negotiate.”


That's from way back in April: http://www.salon.com/2008/04/30/webb_mccain/
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:48 pm

Richard S. wrote:That change, McCain contends, will provide incentive for troops to remain in uniform longer -- a provision he says is vital for an all-volunteer military.



Translation: Giving GI's fewer benefits when they leave the armed forces is a good thing, according to Bush & McCain. Fewer benefits makes it harder for them to actually leave, thus we have more soldiers. (Pretty cynical way to treat men & women they extol as hero's) Make no mistake, these Republicans are no friends of the ordinary GI :nono:
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:24 pm

Devil we already went over this but I'll reiterate anyway. Those soldiers are volunteers, if they don't like the payout or the risks that come with it they could seek employment elsewhere. Just like any other job they are being offered incentives to stay or rewards for longer enlistments. An experienced employee is much more valuable than 2 unexperienced employees hence the reason experience and time get you a better pay and more benefits.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:43 pm

Richard S. wrote:Just like any other job they are being offered incentives to stay or rewards for longer enlistments. An experienced employee is much more valuable than 2 unexperienced employees hence the reason experience and time get you a better pay and more benefits.


I don't think being a US Serviceman, in time of war, is just like any other job. I think we Americans have always held these brave men & women in higher regard than a hamburg flipper or a used car salesman. They are keeping us free by risking their lives for us on a daily basis &, therefore, we owe them more than just the "Lip Service" that this administration shamelessly gives them while sending them for their third or forth tour of duty to a war zone, extending their tour length from 12 to 15 months & denying them much needed benefits upon their retirement.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Richard S. On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:08 pm

What is it that you think is not good enough? They are getting there housing costs and college tuition paid for 4 years.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:26 am

Richard S. wrote:What is it that you think is not good enough? They are getting there housing costs and college tuition paid for 4 years.


I'd have to look at both GI Bills, side by side to answer your question Richard, but it is undeniable that Sen. Webb's bill gave retiring GI's many more benefits than does the bill backed by Bush & McCain & signed into law..... Even Sen. McCain admits that. ( & for which John McCain was too busy campaigning to even show up for the vote in the Senate!) Understandable for a National Guard "Goldbricker" who's daddy got him into the Guard to avoid war service in Vietnam & was AWOL for much of his service, but absolutely inexcusable for a Vietnam vet & ex POW who "claims" to support our troops! :x
(sorry but I relish any opportunity to bash Bush!........What am I going to do if Obama actually wins in November???......I'll have no reason to complain on political threads!!.......Another reason for you all to vote for Obama!! :lol: )
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: spc On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 8:39 am

Will the real Barack Obama please step forward.

If Jesse Jackson got his way it would be an Obama with no nuts. :fear: :eek2:

"See, Barack [has] been talking down to black people . . . I wanna cut his nuts out," Jackson said.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/07/09/jesse-jackson-apologizes-for-obama-remarks
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:33 am

This is Not a Flip-Flop: McCain Applauds Webb's GI Bill

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) announced his support today for a popular veterans' education proposal after the bill was tweaked to allow soldiers to transfer the benefits to family members.


A senator announcing his support for a bill is meaningless, unless he actually shows up for work to vote for it. That is taking credit for work someone else has done and just paying lip service to try to hide the fact that when he bothered to vote, he voted against almost every GI bill improvement that has come up for vote.

And by the way, he was against it before he was for it.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Richard S. On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:28 am

Let's face it Beemrboy him showing up for the vote is meaningless as it was going to pass with or without his vote. Legislators miss votes all the time, especially one running for the President:


Barack Obama missed 268 of 1240 votes (22%) since Jan 6, 2005
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person. ... &id=400629



McCain has missed 691 of 4057 votes (17%) since Feb 4, 1993
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person. ... &id=300071

Not the upward spike in during the presidential race, even happened in 2000 presidential election for McCain.

spc wrote:And by the way, he was against it before he was for it.


Yes but as already pointed out he was against the bill as originally introduced ans it's been well documented as to why. This is not the same bill.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: beemerboy On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:35 pm

Using your web links, lets compare apples with apples (voting record with voting record) shall we?

Barack Obama missed 268 of 1240 votes (22%) since Jan 6, 2005

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
. ... &id=400629

McCain has missed 691 of 4057 votes (17%) since Feb 4, 1993

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.
. ... &id=300071


Just the first two quarters of 2008 to keep the time frames the same.

2008
Obama
- - # of Votes -#- Missed - % Missed
Q1 - 85 - 31 - 36.5
Q2 - 69 - 60 - 87


McCain
- - # of Votes -#- Missed - % Missed
Q1- 85 - 50 - 58.8
Q2 - 69 - 68 - 98.6 (well at least his temperature says he's still alive)
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: spc On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:43 pm

God help us all, but if elected, is BO's planned withdrawal from Iraq as stated on his web site even possible?

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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:46 pm

Possible?? Hell....If I was President I would order all US soldiers in Iraq to point their HumVee's south......TODAY ......... & let us know when they hit the Kuwait border!
Any "Towel-Heads" get in their way....Shoot to kill!! Simple as that!
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: spc On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 7:07 pm

"What a difference a few weeks can make."

http://www.newsweek.com/newsweek-poll-o ... heat-92961
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: BugsyR On: Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:34 pm

If y'all don't know what all the benefits are for vets and "retired" vets, how can y'all put yourself into a position to judge how a candidate or politician votes pertaining to those benefits? Do your research. Stop listening to partial truths from the mass media clowns. Personally, I would absolutely love more benefits...but don't think for a second that I would be happy to find out that little Johnny recieved the same benefits as me for only doing 3 or 4 years instead of 20+.

Attaching 2 links...one to the U.S. Dept. of VA and then Pennsylvania's VA. When it comes to the individual States, they are different. If you want to be educated in VA Benefits here ya go...if you don't want the whole truth on benefits...listen to the media.

http://www.va.gov/
http://www.milvet.state.pa.us/DMVA/index.htm

If you are really interested in more...google your own state's VA....such as "VA in PA", "VA in NJ", "VA in NY", etc.

By the way...I firmly believe that McCain is a whole lot more experienced in VA issues than any other candidate.
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Re: Will the real Barack Obama please step forward

PostBy: Devil505 On: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:24 pm

BugsyR wrote:If you want to be educated in VA Benefits here ya go...if you don't want the whole truth on benefits...listen to the media.



The "Whole Truth" Mike???.....The problem with your thesis is that the VA, like all other Executive Branch Agencies (like FEMA, Justice, etc) answers to one man....GW Bush. He has gotten rid of all the career types who didn't goto the right college, aren't in the right church or share his distorted views of the world...... Any website ending with "dot gov" is really "DOT. Bush"..... until Jan/09.
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