Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: dtzackus On: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:40 pm

Hello,

My house is a little over 3000 sq feet, I am interested in a hand fired coal stove for my rec. room in my basement to heat the rest of the house. I am looking at two different units, a Vermont Castings Vigilant and a Gibraltar LCC.

I know the two are totally different, the Vermont Castings has a btu range of 50,000 btu's and it's own self dampering system while the Gibraltar is at least 90,000 btu's and has a blower on it.

Any suggestions??

THanks in advance,

Dan
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: LsFarm On: Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:54 pm

The Gibraltar is a very heavy duty unit, that will burn a load of coal for a long time.. forum coal and mine expert coal berner has a gibraltar hand feed and it does a very good job for him..
The Vermont castings are more for a room or two, certainly not for a large house.. the Gibraltar can or does have a fan to wash the heat off the stove, the vermont castings does not as far as I know.. the vermont castings stoves are small and don't hold a long fire when burning near capacity..

The Gibraltar is a tank,, built to work,, the Vermont castings is a 'pretty' stove, for a rec room or den..

Greg L
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: dtzackus On: Tue Jul 08, 2008 7:07 pm

My house is a total of 3150 sq feet. I am going to put the unit in my basement in the one end where the chimney is of course. I want to put in about 4 air vents from the basement to 1st floor. A little over 1/4 part of my basement is my two car garage, which I hope will get some heat from this as well. I am sick and tired of placing a kerosine heater in it when it really gets cold in the winter months (below 20 F).

Since this "monster" Gibraltar LCC can heat up to 2500 sq feet, and my house is 3150 sq ft, will it be an overkill since most the heat will only go into half my house since the rec. room is in one side of the house. Will it make my rec room a "hot room?" Is there a way to stop the rec room from getting up to 80-90 degrees? And yes, I am new to coal, just in case, lol.

Also, this is a used model, since they no longer make the Gibraltar, but the salesmen informed me that I can purchase anything for it since they are so popular. Is that correct and does anyone else have one to either a recommend it and help me learn how to use it to it's fullest potential. Also, i didn't even ask what kind of coal to burn in it, size wise.

Again, thanks again!!

Dan
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: coal berner On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:08 am

dtzackus wrote:Hello,

My house is a little over 3000 sq feet, I am interested in a hand fired coal stove for my rec. room in my basement to heat the rest of the house. I am looking at two different units, a Vermont Castings Vigilant and a Gibraltar LCC.

I know the two are totally different, the Vermont Castings has a btu range of 50,000 btu's and it's own self dampering system while the Gibraltar is at least 90,000 btu's and has a blower on it.

Any suggestions??

THanks in advance,

Dan

Buy The LCC You will not be sorry I have the MCC witch heats my 3140 1948 Ranch House with No Problem I can fit 105 lbs of nut in it with the Banking bar in place my stove is 600lbs The LCC is
680lbs These are very well built stoves There are nunn built heaver on todays market including Harman & Hitzer witch are both very well built stoves but neither one of them are as heavy You will get very long burn times out of them with the right coal and setup Mine is in the basement on the west side of the house in the dead center of the house All I do is keep the basement door open and I have two floor register It will keep the upstairs 74 to 76 F when the temp outside is in the 20s to 30s 78F when the temps are in the 40s +Teens and below 68 to 70f burn time 28 to 33 hr when it is really cold out 33 to 43 hr when the temps are in the 30s 40s + range I fill it up to the max 100 to 105 lbs Then add 44 to 48 Lbs on the reload About every 3 to 4 days 70 to 75 lbs of coal will be added depending how hard I am burning it The Twin fans work great There 64 3/4" vent holes on the front across the top & front corners of the stove where the hot air flows out Plus I use a Magic Heat Reclaimer on the stack that has 10 1" vent holes in it witch really helps reclaim the heat going up the stack about 50% of the heat is reclaimed I use & have Prob Thermometers all over the stove and stack There are several Places you can still buy Parts fro these stoves But I don't think you will ever need to buy any The Grates are 4.5 " wide 14.5 " long 4.5" thick The figures are 2 " thick They weight 15 lbs and there are 5 of them The only Parts you might have to replace would be The baffle plate & the banking bar if you over fire the stove other then that I don't think you will need anything else well maybe a blower fan to So buy the stove here are some links for Parts also a link to other
Post about the Gibraltor stove's There are a few other members that use these stoves Let me know what you do PM me for more info and depending where the stove is if you do not Take let me know I would like to have another one Just for Extra Parts Oh The LCC Is The Largest one they made Twin doors a little bigger then the MCC Model I would Say 110 K to 120k for the BTU's You should be able to put 115 to 120 lbs of coal in it I know the book only says 85lbs well you can stick more then that in them if you use the banking bar Good luck on getting it I used 4.3/4 tons of coal I only use the stove for heat Nothing else for heat ;)

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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: Salemcoal On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:50 pm

Hello , I grew up in a house using a woodburning Vigilant. I didn't care for it. The coal version is modified to burn coal. I would stick with a stove that is designed to burn coal if that is what you want to do. I have a Gibraltar SCS that is smaller than the LCC. Bought in the spring so I haven't burned it yet but I can tell you it is built tough. The grates are heavier than the grates on my Harman SF-150. I would stick with the Gibraltar. Good luck.
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:40 pm

Go with the Gibraltar. I bought a Vigilant coal burner (multi-fuel) before I knew better. Fortunately a Mark II landed in my lap before I really ran the Vigilant. The early Vigilant had a conversion kit for coal (have one of those too) then two more models before they designed the final coal burner. They are like a sports car, pretty to look at and a bitch to maintain. I prefer function over form.
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:03 pm

I'm trying to talk my daughter's brother-in-law out of buying a Vigilant. I don't like the bolted together cast iron, the double front load door and even the shaker mechanism looks flimsy too me. Just looks like trouble after a few seasons.
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:17 am

The older Vigilant models had problems but only the reputation of the earlier models stay in everyone's memories. Just like high school and hormones 8-) You'll hear comment often about the early models when VC was trying to make a wood burner into a coal burner. It didn't go well but the Vigilant II 2310 is a success for me...

I've owned a VC Vigilant II, model 2310, for six seasons (and a VC Defiant wood burner for 20 + yrs.). Not one problem after I got them set up. No problems with the shaker system. I burn four ton /year. The 2310 has been redesigned for coal, not a multi fuel. I get 10 hours on a load when it's in the single digits and the house doesn't cool down. Up to 18 hrs. in the mid 40s. No complaints about maintaining it either; feed/shake/empty the ash pan/top off/damp = <10min in am and again in the pm. The grates are in nearly new shape. It is only 50,000 BTU, so if you need to heat the basement, you will need the bigger stove, especially if the house is leaky.

I can't say which stove is best for you, but my house is a 10 yr old 3,100 sq. ft well insulated h/wrapped house with good windows. It has an unfinished walk out basement with two 3-0 double hung windows and a sliding patio door with insulation but not sealed (perforated) sofits outside above it for 12 feet. I don't attempt to heat the basement and it will get down to 48F when it's real cold outside. The only constant heat source is the water heater that doesn't have any extra insulation on it. The oil burner is down there as well but it rarely runs, only if the stove is out. Used 100 gal last year, don't plan on more than 25 this year (see Reducing Grate Area for Spring Burning). The Vigilant II heats the house fine. The 2310 is on the first floor and the ceilings are nine foot, not too hot ( 72), bedrooms stay in the sixties as do the further reaches of the house that's ~seventy feet long. Stove is located on the north east side about 15 feet from the outside wall.
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: mrpete64 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:21 am

Hello,
I am new to your chat room. I have purchased a vermont coal stove. I had their defiant wood stove for 30+ years and decided to try coal. What size coal do you suggest...nut or pea?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Mr. Pete--->
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: VigIIPeaBurner On: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:49 pm

Welcome to the forum Mr. Pete! You'll tap a wealth and depth of knowledge from the folks here that's nearly impossible to find anywhere. I've sent an email to you offering some suggestion. Again, welcome.
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: BobQ On: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:42 pm

I have a Vigilant as well, it is the new version, it heats great! My house is about 2000sqf with an open floor plan, I use pea coal, it is in the front foyer so looks were important to my wife, it is the only stove that looks good in her opinion. I also have one of those bi-metal fans on top and it helps wash the heat off the stove, also, when Its' 40 or 50 deg out, at the end of the season, I turn it down to about 300deg and it just hums along. I get a very long burn season out of it. I would recomend it for sure!
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Re: Vermont Castings Vigilant vs. Gibraltar LCC

PostBy: ScubaSteve On: Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:29 am

I have a VC Vigilant 2310, It is in my 1900 square foot colonial. It is on the 1st floor in the living room, and it heats the whole house. Our house was built in 1974 but has all new windows and doors. No drafts at all. Only on the coldest central NJ nights (5 to 15 degrees) do we ever put the heat on in the master bedroom. This stove does a wonderful job. It looks great and I have never had a single problem. I always keep a small layer of ash on the grates. (keeps em from overheating and warping). I also prefer nut coal. more waste with pea coal. 10 to 15 hour burn time. I love it when friends and family come over and they cant believe the only heater on is the coal stove. :)
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