Is it too late to buy a stove?

Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: Titus On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:49 pm

The local Harman dealer says Harman is telling him that stoves ordered today may not be delivered until January '09. Dealers of other brands are saying 12-15 weeks for their stuff.

If you are looking at 12-15 weeks, or Harman's 24 week(!) lead time, isn't it almost too late to get a new stove? If you can only use a stove for 1/2 the season, wouldn't you be better off saving the cash to buy oil?

Unless all these new stove owners have stored away their fuel, be it pellet or coal, I also imagine their will be shortages of bagged product this winter.

Strikes me as ridiculous that I am sitting here on July 9, sweating in 80+ degree heat, worrying about the winter. Meanwhile, our politicians do nothing but cause us more pain.

Edit: Just got off the phone with another Harman dealer, this time up in Millincoket. They say Harman is telling them February!
Titus
 

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:04 pm

Every manufacturer was caught off-guard or didn't have the manpower to meet this unexpected demand for coal units. We are booked up till at least Oct. or Nov. going at full capacity. Another issue is having a few individual parts on hand to build units, which are not always made in-house.
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Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: PaMike On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:36 pm

There are a lot of dynamics going on here. It is extremely tough right now to find good technical people. Even if these shops wanted to hire additional people they may not be able to find them. Skilled welders are about nonexistant right now.

Even getting your stove in Feb is better than buying oil. With oil after it is burnt the money is gone. At least with a stove you can sell the stove once your done with it and recoup some of your money.
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Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:40 pm

I recommend that you wait for a good stove & not jump into buying any available piece of crap. As soon as you actually start burning coal you will eventually save $$$$
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: beemerboy On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:56 pm

You may consider a used stove. Check Craig's list and don't discount your local shopper and newspapers.

edit: There is a Harmon (no idea what model but they want $700 for it) listed on Craig's list in Bath, Me. Looks about a couple hundred miles away.
beemerboy
 
Stove/Furnace Make: SAEY
Stove/Furnace Model: Hannover 1

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: Steve.N On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:45 pm

Titus,

What the local Harman dealer told you about Harman is true. I am a Harman dealer and we are all in the same boat, Harman had some pretty serious finantial problems and sold out to Quadra fire. I suspect that the inventory got pretty well depleted before the sale and now they are playing catch-up. They tell us that the production line is running 2.5 times normal but there is a tremendous demand for heating units. As the other guys have said look for a used unit, coal stoves are built like a tank so there is little to fear from buying used, There is currently an SF250 offered on this board for a reasonable price that is a great stove. Shipping to Me will be a bit but still worth saving the cost of fuel oil heat.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman mkII
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260 at store

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 7:58 pm

The Harman in Maine looks to be a Mark I. Not a bad price for a stove you have now.
Hitzer is running 6-8 weeks http://www.hitzer.com/heaters.html
Buying a stove is an asset, buying $5 gallon oil when you could have had a coal stove is fuelish.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:01 pm

I believe that any brand name stove, that is in reasonable shape is worth at least 75%-80% of retail.. Buy it, save some money on heating your place untill what you really want comes along.. you can't go wrong with a good brand name stove..

Greg L

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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: Salemcoal On: Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:08 pm

I agree with others above who say look for a good used stove. There are constantly great deals on used units if you keep your eyes out. If you find a decent deal you can usually sell it for what you paid when you switch to brand new. For me the fun is in the hunt for a stove. Good luck.
Salemcoal
 
Stove/Furnace Make: harmonsf150
Stove/Furnace Model: alaskachaning3

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: Yanche On: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:42 pm

I stopped by my local Harmon stove dealer this afternoon 07/14/08. He had a Magnum Stoker with brass HA1-00-00138-3 for sale on the showroom floor. $3345. Last one.

He also had a Harmon DVC-500 on the showroom floor $3278. His PA store also had a DV-500. Only two in the company.

Salesman said sales were brisk and he had lots of stoves on back order. Claimed they would only sell to MD customers. I assume that also applies to PA customers. They will ship between stores. Claimed they got calls from all over the east coast.

Don't call me, see:
http://www.finchinc.com/abouthours.asp
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


MD stove store is Eldersburg, MD
PA stove store is Hanover, PA
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: Titus On: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:10 pm

Thanks, Yanche, but I'm in Maine. (Just added that to my profile.)

My problem is compounded by the need for a direct or power vent stove, and I prefer direct. I could direct vent the oil boiler and free up the chimney, but that would entail major work and re-plumbing in the basement. I considered switching out the burner in the boiler and going with natural gas. Code requirement for a stainless liner eats away at the savings, but worse, code requires me to remove my 2 new oil tanks if they aren't in use. I don't really want to do that, since gas has been more expensive than oil in the past. If I could retain the tanks and have the option of switching back and forth, I'd go that route. Were my boiler and tanks not new, I'd consider putting in a new boiler.

The best, simplest solution for me was a DVC500 in the living space.

I am left to wrestle with this question: If I can't get one until February, would I be better off saving the $4500 I was planning to spend on stove and coal to pay for oil, then order a stove early next year?

One ray of hope for me... the dealer in Millinocket signed up with Harman for a sort-of showroom stocking deal where they promise to take delivery of a certain number of stoves through the fall and winter. Several DVC500's are in the plan. And, my name is first on the list to walk in and plunk down cash for one. However, since Harman is so slammed, the dealer fears they will not get those units. They said Harman isn't accepting any stock orders, only orders pledged to customers. And, they claim, Harman has not been very forthcoming about whether or not they will fill this previous stock plan order.



One lesson learned. When building a home, have multiple chimneys and/or flues. More flues give you more heating options.
Titus
 

Re: Is it too late to buy a stove?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:18 pm

Buy the stove. Have a friend down in PA buy a stove for you then you can sell the other one!
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

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