Help in looking for a new coal stove.

Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:26 am

First part to Devil since he seems to have the same house as us.

Hey Devil do you have any more pictures of your house and the way it's setup? How's the insulation in your house 2x6 construction? We have a split level ranch and are trying to decide where to put it to best serve our needs.

Do we put it near the top of the stairs or the bottom, how much will the heat move on it's own? Do we invest in one with a blower on it to help move the air by it's self or do we plan on adding some piping to help get the heat distributed around the house? Do the blowers just blow air from behind to the front of the stove or are there some that are setup for just piping it else where (can not find the information on any web sites)? We think we should get something with a domestic hot water coil in it so we can still get some use out of our in floor radiant heating system, but it's going to have to be something we can add to it later on if that's even possible?

We called one place who said they had a Harmon Mark II in stock, we drove an hour and 5 minutes to find out that they didn't have one at all. I called just before we walked out the door :mad: From there we drove another hour to the shop that had them 3 feet off the ground and you couldn't see the backs of any of them. I talked a lot with this guy who did and didn't know much about the different types of stoves, the person who did wasn't there and the other woman was busy with other customers. We talking about the different ways to vent them since we do not have a chimney and saw this hole behind the ash pan of a Keystroker and the guy just says that where it ties into the chimney. I saw a guy with a picture of it in the picture thread and asked about it, he seemed to have his venting straight out like it was a pellet stove setup, is that even possible? I don't understand how the exhaust vent can be that low on that model (Keystroker web site is completely useless), are all back venting stoves that low?

We don't want a boiler, price is just to high. We are trying to figure out what would work best for us, also what we could actually get since the demand is getting so high with them. There are other stores that are 1 to 3 hours away and some being up in Maine, which is a long way to go just to just be able to "look" at them to help us make up our minds. I emailed a couple of them asking what they had in stock and only the one in Maine has gotten back to me, But that's a long way to go for a stove. :(
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Matthaus On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:42 am

I noticed you don't have a chimney and yet you are looking at hand fed stoves. First things first, how will you vent the stove? If you are going to Power vent or direct vent then the hand fed stoves are out, the amount of coal burning in a hand fed eliminates anything but stove pipe or chimney for safety reasons (IMO).

Nest question, where do you want to locate the stove, basement or living space? That will help you figure out how much air flow and mods to the house you will need. Heating the basement is generally less efficient and causes more headaches figuring out how to get the heat where you need it.

Next question, why have you not yet purchased a stove? I noticed you have been on the forum for some time now and have probably read about the stove shortages. Best get one and get it quick!

Best wishes for your successful hunting and decision making. :)
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:45 am

Adamiscold wrote:First part to Devil since he seems to have the same house as us.

Hey Devil do you have any more pictures of your house and the way it's setup? How's the insulation in your house 2x6 construction? We have a split level ranch and are trying to decide where to put it to best serve our needs.

Do we put it near the top of the stairs or the bottom, how much will the heat move on it's own? Do we invest in one with a blower on it to help move the air by it's self or do we plan on adding some piping to help get the heat distributed around the house? Do the blowers just blow air from behind to the front of the stove or are there some that are setup for just piping it else where (can not find the information on any web sites)? We think we should get something with a domestic hot water coil in it so we can still get some use out of our in floor radiant heating system, but it's going to have to be something we can add to it later on if that's even possible?




Try here: AMERICAN ENERGY SAVERS
302 N. FRONT STREET / PO BOX 61295
NEW BEDFORD, MA.
02746
Phone: 508-992-2020

That's where I bought my Harman & he had stoves the last time I talked with him, a few months ago. Ask for Rainee, the owner.



I have a finished basement with my stove in a corner of the 44'X24" split-level.
The house is just 2x4 construction with fiberglass bat insulation.
Put the stove in your basement if your stairway is wide & always open & yes, buy a blower which will tie into most stoves & wash the heated air from the back & top into the house. Makes a huge difference!

I have a suspended ceiling (in the family room where the stove is) with egg-crate panels to allow the heated air to get trapped above the ceiling but below the upstairs floor. I also have cut a few vents in bedroom floors above.

The way I look at is this: If the coal stove was in a shell of your house (no floors or partition walls) it would be easy to get a uniform temp. So you have to open as many pathways from the basement as you can for the heated air to circulate up.

Good luck! (& make sure you buy good coal!!)
Last edited by Devil505 on Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:52 am, edited 3 times in total.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:00 am

Thanks Devil you house is pretty much the same as ours, so we shouldn't have to much of a problem heating ours with a coal stove. I'll give them a call and see what they have. I see their over 2 hours away, why can't anyone be closer?

Matthaus we have yet to comment to what type of vent or stove we are going to have, we want to get what is going to work best for us in our home for the money we have to spend and also what is available.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 10:36 am

Hitzer http://www.hitzer.com/heaters.html was at 6-8 weeks.
No DV units but it is getting late in the game to be picky this heating season.
If you think it is bad now wait until September when the delivery dates may be spring of 2009 and #2 is pushing $6 gallon!
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 11:53 am

Thanks Cape I think we are leaning more towards a stoker so it can maybe be power vented out.

Leisure Line is out of stock around here and they don't expect any in to the end of November or beginning of December. Keystoker is low, the back vented one we looked at two days ago is gone and the wait time is 8-10 weeks on any Keystoker stove. Is there really much difference between the 90k and the 105k? Is it really worth the extra 300+ or 15k and a little bigger fan?
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:12 pm

My theory is a little bigger is OK. How big is your current heater?
The slight extra cost is nothing if you heat by oil/gas/propane the coal savings will offset that.
Any coal stove is better than nothing.
You may have to travel to get what you want, do not be too stubborn or picky, all stoves are in short supply and it will only get worse as it is currently the slow season!
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 12:45 pm

My theory is a little bigger is OK. How big is your current heater?
The slight extra cost is nothing if you heat by oil/gas/propane the coal savings will offset that.
Any coal stove is better than nothing.
You may have to travel to get what you want, do not be too stubborn or picky, all stoves are in short supply and it will only get worse as it is currently the slow season!


Our heater now setup for about 75k, I want something bigger then what we need for those just in case days. I'm willing to travel, it's just hard to get me and the wife together for a long enough period of time right now to go and do things together. She's changing jobs and is going to have a couple of weeks off next month but I really don't want to wait that long. I'm not being picky, just want something that's going to be useful for some time to come. I could probably get a Vermont Castings that only does 50k but to me it's just a waste of 1700 bucks if it can't do the whole job and were running it maxed out all the time and we would be looking to just replace it next year.

I found a guy in Maine that has a LL Pocono with a double DHW coil in it that's in stock, but I have no idea what it looks like or how much water it can heat up since my questions in the LL forum and no dealer that I've talked could answer it for me. But he's 9 hours away one way! He sounded like a nice old man but it's a long way to go to found out it's either not there or isn't the correct model or there is damage to it. I just went through that on Tuesday were they said they had one and a little over an hour later you get there to find out that they haven't had one for a while now and the one they do have is suppose to be brand new but looks like it's already been beaten and there's no model number or information on it to find out what it is and no one is around that can help you. It's the type of place I would never go back there and give any of my business to them ever a again.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: siblay On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:14 pm

Adam,

Just wondering which dealer (or where, if you don't want to point fingers) told you they had one, then didn't. I'm slightly south of you and I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a Harman. I talked to a dealer today that told me to come on in and get one. Just don't want to fall into the same trap.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:58 pm

siblay, it was Bernardston Farmers Supply Co. One woman walked in and never said a word to us, then another woman walked in and knew little about them and she couldn't even find what the models were because there was no paper work on them. She told us this guy who knew just came back and she went off to get him me and the wife stood there waiting for help for about twenty five minutes until we said enough of this B.S. and left. Ran into the guy down stairs and he really was to busy to talk to us.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: siblay On: Thu Jul 10, 2008 9:21 pm

I appreciate the heads up. For what it's worth.....I took a drive to Monson the other day to look at Squier Lumber and CSM Energy. Squier was out of Harmans and said they were waiting on shipment with no eta. CSM had some Alaska's and Keystokers. The woman that was there said she had just started and she was swamped with customers and phone calls. She did her best to answer my questions. It is a small shop, but seemed like a good one and (at the time, anyway) had a decent selection. Not sure how the pricing rates compared to others as I really haven't shopped either brand.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:48 am

From what I've got CSM model's are a 3-4 hundred dollars cheaper then the Nashua, NH store, but they don't have sale's tax so what ever that adds up too. When we were there the guy tried to very helpful but he did say him being there was keeping him from his "real job". I called yesterday and the woman couldn't answer my questions and she was going to have the other guy call me when he returned to the shop but she said it wouldn't be until that evening, but he never did call. I was hopping to get a couple of my questions answered like the $450 power vent he quoted me on, but it seems like I am going to have to call them back this morning when they open at 10am to get them.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:04 am

Hey Adam,

Keep a watch out for used equipment. You may be able to find a good used stove for a reasonable price and be able to get a nicer stove then you would be able to by purchasing a new unit. I realize it's a nice feeling to buy a new one, but you can save a lot of $$$ with used. All of the big names in coal stoves build products that will outlast you and me. You can always buy new later and sell the stove you bought used.

John
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:36 am

Thanks John,

I have looked around and there really is not anything out there that is worth the money they are asking. Most are old and abused and undersized just not worth the hassle to me.
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Re: Help in looking for a new coal stove.

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:12 pm

Pretty soon all the stores are going to be out of stock, with nothing available untill february or march, and you will be still in the cold..

This is just a situation where the retailers are so busy that they are swamped, and can't talk to everyone, be everywhere at once, are hiring new, untrained staff, and are selling everything available..they are doing everything they can, and nobody has found out how to clone themselves.

If you want a stove I'd get after one, new or used,, with oil $4.50 and up,, coal is about like buying $1.50/gallon oil... the stoves will pay for themselves in one season..

He who hesitates stays cold !! or broke, or both. :)

Greg L
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