Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:49 pm

Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon
Friday, July 11, 2008

Chief Judge Vaughn Walker of the US District Court in California has ruled that President George W. Bush is a felon. The ruling stems from the case of Al-Harmain Islamic Foundation Inc. v Bush, a case which will now be remembered as making it official that Bush's program of 'warrantless spying' is illegal.

Judge Walker held that the president lacks the authority to disregard the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA -- which means Bush's warrantless electronic surveillance program was illegal. Whether Bush will ultimately be held accountable for violating federal law with the program remains unclear. Bush administration lawyers have fought vigorously -- at times using brazen, logic-defying tactics -- to prevent that from happening. The court battle will continue to play out as Congress continues to battle over recasting FISA and possibly granting immunity to telecom companies involved in the illegal surveillance.


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Makes you proud, doesn't it?(first sitting President in history to be adjudicated a felon)
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: spc On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:56 pm

Devil5052 wrote:Al-Harmain Islamic Foundation Inc. v Bush


"Al-Haramain Islamic Foundation was a charity foundation, based in Saudi Arabia, alleged to be a front for the international terrorist organization al-Qaeda. Although all charges were dropped by a federal judge, it is now banned worldwide by United Nations Security Council Committee."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Haramain_Foundation

"U.S.-Based Branch of Al Haramain Foundation Linked to Terror"


http://www.treasury.gov/press/releases/js1895.htm
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"United States and Saudi Arabia acted jointly to block the funds of the Somalia and Bosnia-Herzegovina branches of the Al Haramain Islamic foundation"

http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2002/03/dot031102fact.html

"Judge tosses wiretapping lawsuit by Islamic group"


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080703/ap_on_re_us/warrantless_wiretaps
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Are you siding with the Al-Harmain Islamic Foundation???
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:52 pm

To be a felon you'd have to be tried and convicted? Yes, No?

It's debatable as to whether even the president can be indicted for actions taken by him serving as an official and would open up a can of worms. Do we extradite the President if he's indicted in a friendly country? There's an interesting article here that points out a few things:
http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mprezarrest.htm
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Having said that if every President that committed a felony while exercising official powers while in office to protect this country was indicted and prosecuted we'd have a very long list. ;)
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:14 pm

spc wrote:Are you siding with the Al-Harmain Islamic Foundation???




I'm "siding" with the US Constitution. Whine, stomp your feet & cry all you want, your rich boy hero has been deemed to be a common felon by a duly appointed federal judge for the first time in the long history of this country. (If I was the judge, I would send a couple of armed court officers over to the White House & arrest GW Bush's sorry, felonious butt......Love to see the "Perp Walk" on the Fox evening news with Bush hiding his face under a jacket while he is led out, cuffed) :clap:

(Think he'd end up crying for the cameras?) :cry2:
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:27 pm

Richard S. wrote:
Having said that if every President that committed a felony while exercising official powers while in office to protect this country was indicted and prosecuted we'd have a very long list. ;)



You have a pretty low opinion of our Presidents then. We generally elect men who become felons? (other than Nixon, I can't think of one)
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:05 pm

Actually I have quite a high opinion of our Presidents which is one reason I'd personally feel they should have leeway in matters like this. First of all I think we need to separate official acts from criminal acts. Eavesdropping on a group of people associated with terrorist organizations for national security reasons isn't something that would be comparable to abusing the power for you're own financial gain. Certainly if they had followed the FISA act they would have been granted permission for the eavesdropping anyway, from my understanding a presidential request for wiretapping is just a technical speed bump and these requests are never denied. Arguably in lot of these cases time is of the essence, would you really want a lawyer arguing in front of judge while in the meantime a catastrophe could be adverted?

The chances that any President hasn't committed similar acts with national security in mind are nil. Many of the operations through the years carried out by the CIA and the NSA with the full knowledge of the President probably make this look like child's play but have never become public.
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:43 pm

And Slick Willie was a saint?? Come on,, I know you hate GWB,, but take of your Hate Bush glasses and take a look.. Slick Willie should be in jail along with his wife.. both are outright felons..

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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 9:57 pm

LsFarm wrote:nd Slick Willie was a saint?? Come on,, I know you hate GWB,, but take of your Hate Bush glasses and take a look.. Slick Willie should be in jail along with his wife.. both are outright felons..



I do indeed hate GW Bush & have no respect for the privileged "Do you know who my daddy is?" coward. We can debate him vs Slick Willie all you want but Slick Wiilie's crime was in lying about a consensual BJ....Who the hell cares? (It didn't cost me a dime in tax money or the lives of any of our soldiers) We haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg in re the crimes of this administration which will, hopefully come out when we get a Real Justice Dept. back.
Besides, are you arguing that GW Bush's crimes should go unpunished because you can point out other criminals? (Should Al Capone have been set free because Bugsy Seigel also committed crimes?)
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:34 pm

Agreed Devil both the attempted impeachment of Clinton and this is ridiculous.

As for the rest of your post more unsubstantiated speculation.
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:41 pm

[quote="Richard S."]To be a felon you'd have to be tried and convicted? Yes, No?


No. Make no mistake, GW Bush is in fact a felon....At this point in time he simply isn't a "convicted felon"...........YET! :D (stay tuned)
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:48 pm

Richard S. wrote:greed Devil both the attempted impeachment of Clinton and this is ridiculous.



Glad to hear your thoughts & that we agree about Clinton's impeachment being ridiculous, but we definatly disagree about the importance of Bush's crimes.
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:57 pm

Based on this? Yeaaaa, lets indict the President for investigating an organization that's been deemed a terrorist organization.... :lol: Are you joking?
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:01 pm

Richard S. wrote: Many of the operations through the years carried out by the CIA and the NSA with the full knowledge of the President probably make this look like child's play but have never become public.



As a person who maintained a Top Secret security clearance for many years ,(& was aware of & took part in many of the secret programs run by our government) I can assure you that the crimes perpetrated by the Bush Administration are far from "child's Play."
They represent the most dangerous & Un-American intrusion on the rights of U.S. citizens since our founding in 1776.
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:22 pm

I strongly agree. Having had security clearances Top Secret and above, what is being done today is far beyond the abuses of past administrations. The NSA is not far from me. Some of it's employees or it's contractors are my friends and/or neighbors. While no one will speak in detail, their body language is unmistakable. The public should be concerned.
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Re: Federal Judge Ruling: George W. Bush is a Felon

PostBy: spc On: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:44 pm

United States Executive Order 9066. Google it.

Yanche wrote:The public should be concerned.


What concerns me is the ease of getting a top secret security clearance.

"Every passing week, it becomes more apparent that disgruntled leftists in the intelligence community and antiwar crusaders in the mainstream media, annealed in their disdain for the Bush administration, are undermining our ability to win the War on Terror. Their latest body blow to the war effort is the exposure, principally by the New York Times, of the Treasury Department’s top-secret program to monitor terror funding."


http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDVhYWQzMmQ3YWRlNzFkYjRmZmY4ZTQzZmUwZjJhZjI=
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