Devil5052 wrote:BugsyR wrote:I've been to 20 of the 36 higher ranked countries. If I had a choice on where to live out of the top 36 countries taking health care and everything else into consideration....I still choose USA...and the USA's supposed broken health care.
Come on Mike....That's a tactic right out of Karle Rove's handbook! Show me where I said I'd rather live in another country?
What I am saying is that I love my country & want to see it's health care system improved & made available to all legal residents. (Being rated just above Slovenia & Cuba is just not where we should be)
If that's unpatriotic, so be it.
I never claimed that the military (or government wide for that matter) health care system is "perfect" & beyond improvement. What I am saying is that it sure beats the hell out of no health care at all, which is all my hardworking, fifth generation American, taxpaying son-in-law can afford.
I feel that my lifetime of government service gives me as much right as your service in the Navy does to express my opinion without having to defend my patriotism.
....."have you ever seen the movie "Born on the Fourth of July".".....
Never saw it
Where did I question your patriotism? I fully understand that you feel our health care system should be number 1. So do I. BUT I want the USA to be number 1 in EVERY catergory...that will never happen.
You never said you want to live in another country!!!...Where did I say you did?
All I said was I'd choose USA over the others. How in the hell does that equate to you being less patriotic than me???
(I don't think I ever used the "mad" smiley before... 
)I never read anything of Karle Rove's..is he a good writer? What's his latest work?
I commented mostly because of your following quote....
"This system has worked fine for our Armed Forces, Congress & White House for over 200 years..."
"our Armed Forces" and from what I read, I see it as pure speculation and assumption. You obviously want everyone to have the same medical as the military...fine...join! As you can see in my post I would much rather have the benefits my Father-In-Law has. You state that the military has a socialized medicine that has worked fine for over 200 years...how would you know? Do you know anything at all about how the military cares for their people and dependents? I'll keep it simple...how does a retired military person's child get medical care if they live...say farther than 50 miles from the nearest military medical facility...and how much out of pocket expenses would be paid by the retired member? If you find the answer..does it fit the mold of your so called Socialized Health care?
Here's another one...You are on active duty and live over 35 miles from the nearest Military Hospital. Your 10 year old wakes up with a screaming ear infection, you call TriCare and the earliest they can get you an appointment is in 3 days at the Air Station's Clinic 4 miles from your house...(wow, that does sound like socialized health care!!!!) or you can drive 35 miles to the military emergency room and sit for hours on end, or the local 'Patient First' can get you in to see a doctor in 2 hours but you pay completely out of pocket, submit all the paperwork and pray that TriCare helps a little with the cost...which do you select? (personally...I don't see how this one fits the mold of Military "Socialized" Health Care...to me it sounds like Broken Socialized Health Care)
You state that Congress has socialized medicine...do they? Can you post links to their medical benefits information, I would love to see what they are provided by us tax payers and compare that to the military's (active and retired, with/without dependents).
"Born on the Fourth of July" is based on the biography of Ron Kovic. Paralyzed in the Vietnam war, he becomes an anti-war and pro-human rights political activist after feeling betrayed by the country he fought for.
In that movie you will see an example of how well our Vietnam War Vets were cared for by a "system that has worked fine for our Armed Forces...for over 200 years..."
The way I read it, you state your idea of socialized medicine referring to...the Armed Forces, Congress, and the White House type of health coverage...that we the tax payers are already paying for...but you leave out one major thing...the more money and power you have...the better the health coverage (T. Kennedy)....so, is it really socialized? When the politicians finally decide on how their employers (taxpayers) will get medical care, do you really believe that we will receive the same quality health care that they (our employees) will receive? If you believe in social medicine you should answer that far fetch question with a "yes". But will it ever be true?
Lastly...I fully appreciate my retiree benefits. No matter how bad I may think the benefits are...I still fully appreciate the fact that I have earned military retiree benefits for myself and family. These benefits are available to any one in the United States by the way...all that is required is 20 years of honorable service.
..............but......I still haven't heard any substantive differences between the two of them. If you could enlighten me as to where a President McCain would really differ in his policies (either foreign or domestic) or his advisers/cabinet, I'll listen. Until then I'm going to have to start my own mantra:
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