Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:03 pm

My daughter & son-in-law just bought a Harman TLC & are going to have a mason friend of theirs build a block chimney for them. The stove dealer says that a steel liner is required in Massachusetts. Is he right?
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:03 pm

That's got to be BS... if not move out of that state. Masonry chimneys will last a century burning coal.. a steel liner will rot away in 15-20 years, so a liner makes the chimney worse, not better..

Greg L
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LsFarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:21 pm

A new law in Maine says that ALL chimneys will have a stainless liner. When a new boiler is installed you must "bring it up to code". Sheer idiocy in my book.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined


Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:29 pm

LsFarm wrote:That's got to be BS... if not move out of that state. Masonry chimneys will last a century burning coal.. a steel liner will rot away in 15-20 years, so a liner makes the chimney worse, not better..

Greg L
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I think you're right Greg. The stove place wanted $1,000.00 for the stove installation & told my daughter that the price included a "required" steel liner. The mason (who's a friend of my son-in-law's) will know the Mass. code & if a liner is required, he'll install it.
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Yanche On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:25 pm

Pure BS in Massachusetts. Here's the MA Code section from "780 CMR 3610 Chimneys, Fireplaces and Solid Fuel-Fired Applications"

Begin Quote

Flue lining (material): All masonry chimneys shall be lined with fireclay flue liners not less than 5/8 inch (15.9 mm) in thickness or with other approved liner of material that will resist, without cracking or softening, at a temperature of 1,800 deg. F(982 deg. C)

Note: Lined masonry chimneys may require additional metal liners when such chimneys convey the exhaust products of gas-fired or oil-fired appliances - refer also to 248 CNR or 527 CMR as applicable.

End Quote

READ THE CODE BOOK YOURSELF. IT'S NOT TRUE. Same in Maine.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:39 pm

Well I guess the key there is gas or oil fired, no mention of coal.
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:02 pm

Yanche wrote:Pure BS in Massachusetts. Here's the MA Code section from "780 CMR 3610 Chimneys, Fireplaces and Solid Fuel-Fired Applications"



Thanks Yanche........I thought is was BS
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: vtec350 On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:03 pm

It's BS, I just installed a masonary chimney and it's been inspected, passed and signed off on by the building insp.
vtec350
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker
Stove/Furnace Model: KA-6

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Freddy On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:44 pm

I wish I could find the book for Maine. The state wants $85 for it and I can't find anyone that has a copy. My (mis) information came from two different licensed boiler men. Idiots? They're all over!
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: e.alleg On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 10:24 pm

They should have an additional code for use with coal.

Flue lining (material): All masonry chimneys shall be lined with fireclay flue liners not less than 5/8 inch (15.9 mm) in thickness or with other approved liner of material that will resist, without cracking or softening, at a temperature of 1,800 deg. F(982 deg. C)


When will an anthracite stoker's chimney get to 1,800 degrees? The answer I believe is never.
e.alleg
 
Stove/Furnace Make: EFM
Stove/Furnace Model: 520

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:26 pm

The metal/SS liners are usually for high efficiency gas and oil furnaces with low stack temperatures and high moisture content. The mix tends to rot the joints in the clay liners.
You can use an insulated SS liner in an over-sized fireplace chimney to overcome a poor draft situation when installing an insert or stove in that fireplace.
A plain liner runs about $400-500. Add $300 for an insulation blanket.
http://www.chimneylinerdepot.com/index.asp
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.

At $1000 for the stove install, liner install and a liner, not a bad price. The misinformation about it being required is where the scam starts.
So they are either crooks or they do not know about installing stoves. Either way I would steer clear of any "help" they offer
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Paulie On: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:05 am

BS sales pitch. I am putting in two stoves and a boiler. To my surprise :o , the codes were pretty straight forward.
I can even vent a solid fuel and liquid fuel into the same chimney ! The code is pretty specific about how to do it and
the capacity of the chimney. The book also states that it is not recommended.
I lined my chimneys with stainless liners. My house was built in 1780s, and the chimneys are sound. But something about
200 + year old lime stone mortar gives me the wheebies. Better to line now then refinance the house later to rebuild. Could
be that I am just paranoid.
Your local building department in your town can give you copies of everything you need to know for a safe and legal install.
Good Luck! 8-)
Paulie
 
Stove/Furnace Make: leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Pioneer

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Sat Aug 02, 2008 2:30 am

Paulie wrote:Better to line now then refinance the house later to rebuild.


Paulie there is no concern with coal as far as your house burning down if that is what you are getting at. The only concern that I'm aware of with old chineys is flue gases seeping through joints into the home if you have a chimney on the inside of the house. In any event unless the chimney has aesthetic value I'd just rip it down and rebuild before lining it with SS. You're going to be replacing that steel in 10 to 20 years...
Richard S.
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Van Wert VA1200
Coal Size/Type: Buckwheat/Anthracite

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:05 am

What does it cost to build a chimney here in Mass for a coal stove?
Adamiscold
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Chubby Sr. Old School

Re: Chimney Liners & Massachusetts State Code?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:08 am

Adamiscold wrote:What does it cost to build a chimney here in Mass for a coal stove?


My son-in-law was quoted $1500.00, but that was by a mason who's a friend.
Devil505
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000