Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: EasySteaminBT On: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:40 pm

Hi all, new to the forum.

I am burning Natural Gas :( to generate steam through a Weil McLain boiler rated at a net output of 168,000 BTU/Hr. I am looking to buy a Dual fuel (Coal / Gas, Riello makes oil and gas burners, I will substitute oil burner for gas) Steam boiler. I have called some places. The AHS WOC 55 sounded great, but $5800 for the boiler, $995 for the steam fittings package (can do that myself for less) 300+ for the Riello gas burner (understandable) $580 for the controller to automatically switch from coal to gas provided the fire goes out (seems expensive) and some other added expenses with shipping comes out to around $8200 :shock: , and that doesn't even include the optional ASME certification of $1500 :shock:. All that and a 7 month wait. The price mysteriously went a lot higher from the first quote which is not great either. When I had first called it would have been cheaper, but at that time I hadn't had enough saved. Now that I do, it is almost double in price :mad: . That is a real morale killer. I called marathon, they do not offer their boiler in steam trim, Keystoker no longer manufactures their hand fired dual fuel boiler, Harman - no steam, New yorker - no steam. I am at a loss. I have noticed the boilers that went up for sale here have been so at some very good prices to which I applaud those that have listed their boilers and are interested in helping :D , not price gouging.

The only other option right now it seems is for me to fabricate my own dual fuel steam boiler. I have been drafting some plans so far. If anyone has a coal boiler for sale please let me know.

Thank you for your help.
EasySteaminBT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Move the hell over gas boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260M

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:22 am

All the manufacturers raised their prices.. steel has gone up more than 30% in the last year,, I can sell my 'big Bertha' stainless steel boiler for scrap, at a profit !! after only two years.. it is 2500# of 409 stainless..

AHS, Axeman Anderson and EFM all still manufacture steam boilers.. but all will be near $8-10,000 when equiped for steam.. Steam is almost never used in new construction, and the sales of steam units is a small percentage of the total sales..

Depending on your house.. if you have a two pipe steam system, you might be further ahead with converting it to water.. but the conversion and the volume of water in steam radiators creates their own issues.. but it is a possible way to save on a less expensive version of a boiler.

http://www.Axeman-Anderson.com
http://www.efmheating.com


Greg L
LsFarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: LsFarm On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:23 am

Moving this to the Stoker, boiler forum

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

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Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:54 am

We offer the Steam boiler package at efm and it is ASME coded, but I would guess that steam is about 2% of sales these days.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:05 am

A used EFM or Axeman-Anderson hot water boiler can be can be converted to steam fairly inexpensively, that is the route I would take. Stay away from dual fuel devices as they are very inefficient on the oil side, keep your present W-M for backup.
coaledsweat
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: Freddy On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:41 pm

I'm surprised that even 2% of new boilers are steam. Other than those select few that have a single pipe steam making it expensive to change over to hot water, why would anyone want steam? Simply put, a steam system uses more fuel than the hot water system that would replace it. You also are more comfortable with hot water as temperature swing is less.
Freddy
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: Yanche On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:42 pm

With two pipe steam systems the cost of switching to how water is usually paid back in a few seasons via lower fuel cost savings.
Yanche
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Alternate Heating Systems S-130
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite Pea

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: stoker-man On: Wed Aug 06, 2008 5:37 pm

There are often problems when switching steam to hot water. Sludge, for one. Another is that steam operated at 1-2 PSI and water is 11 and up, often causing leaks.

Steam also tends to be local. Whoever was the predominant plumber in an area often installed all steam or no steam at all.

The same efm boiler is used for steam or hot water, only the controls are different, probably about $500 difference between the two systems.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: EasySteaminBT On: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:19 pm

Hi all, thanks for the replies.

My steam system is one pipe, and it was here long before I was. Many large older houses are steam, the 2% makes up for replacements, and in rare cases new installations as far as residential goes.

Don't knock steam though. Schools, Large apartment buildings, Hospitals, and district heating rely heavily on steam. Steam powers the world :punk:. If it was up to me, I would build a small high pressure boiler, generate steam and pipe it to a Tubine Generator, to power my house and feed back to the grid :up: .

Back to boilers. If anyone has a hand fired boiler for sale let me know. I think I will keep the gas boiler, the reason I was looking for the dual fuel was to replace the Weil-Mclain completely. I can always order the WOC 55 and have it coded, and go without the burner and save some money. But, if the 24 can be made for steam, I would be very interested in that boiler ;). I have no problem shoveling coal. Thanks again for the help.
EasySteaminBT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Move the hell over gas boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260M

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Aug 07, 2008 5:56 pm

Steam works great in applications like you described,, big institutions, factories etc where heat [steam] is needed almost constantly all winter long.. but in a small house where the need for heat is every hour or two, steam systems wastes a lot of fuel reheating the water back up to temp to generate steam...

Steam starts at ~210*... a hot water system will heat effectively from 160*-180*... and steam won't generate any heat untill the water boils.. a water system will generate heat as soon as the circulator moves the hot water...

Since you have a single pipe system.. there is no easy way to convert to water..

Keep an eye on your local papers, http://papershop.com/ http://www.craigslist.com and talk with your local plumbers, and HVAC people, tell them you want any take-out coal boiler that is steam capable.. you may get lucky and find one for scrap price.

Best of luck..

Greg L
LsFarm
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: stoker-man On: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:29 pm

efm is welding the prototype of its hand fired wood/coal boiler soon. We expect them to be available before Fall.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: EasySteaminBT On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:06 pm

LS,

There is always the old school Vacuum/Vapor Steam system, but even that requires a two pipe system :P . My concern is getting the coal boiler right now. Will call some plumbers and see if they are ripping any old ones out. Thanks

The coal man is itching to make a delivery:
:poke: Did you get it yet? Hah, hah :poke: Didja Didja? Whens your boiler coming?...come ooooooon, I want to sell you my coal :poke:


Stoker Man. So, are you hinting that I can get it in steam trim? :jawdrop: WOO HOO :junmp: . Hurry up and weld that sucker up and send it on over....available before fall, so that means I will be able to save some money prior to and wont have to get the AHS WOC55 becuase they will be only available in february? I hope this is true stoker man. What will the dimensions be...this way it will fit through the ole door. toothy
EasySteaminBT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Move the hell over gas boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260M

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: stoker-man On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:06 am

The hand-fired boiler won't be steam, just hot water. The regular efm DF520 can be steam.
stoker-man
 
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: 1981 efm wcb-24 in use 365 days a year
Coal Size/Type: Anthracite/Chestnut
Other Heating: Hearthstone wood stove

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: EasySteaminBT On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:58 pm

What are the dimensions of the EFM 520? If I would install it next to the Gas boiler I would have to use a 55 gallon Drum but the space is limited where the boiler will go, that is kind of why I was considering a hand fired boiler. Thanks for your help stoker man.
EasySteaminBT
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Move the hell over gas boiler
Stove/Furnace Model: Axeman Anderson 260M

Re: Looking for Coal Steam Boiler

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:40 pm

I would avoid a hand fired steam boiler.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260M
Coal Size/Type: Pea

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