Chimney height

Re: Chimney height

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:36 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Yes warm air rises because its lighter but actually a chimney should work without the warm air rising thing. The reason being is that it works not because of air temperature, but air pressure. At the bottom of a 30' tall chimney, let's say the air pressure is 14.7 PPSI. Now if you climb the chimney, you may find that the air pressure only produces about 14.4 PPSI Because there is 30' less air squeezing it down. The draft is created by a long cylinder seeking to equalize pressure through out its length. So any long length of pipe stood up should create a draft of sorts even without a fire. It's Bernoulli's law! :)

It's the engineer in me. :D :roll:
And as the chemistry of combustion takes place the fuel + air react with the individual elements in each to produce gases which have different pressures. All hopefully ends up in the chimney producing what we call draft. The nitrogen in the air is usually undesirable because it plays no part in the combustion chemistry equation and just conducts heat out the flue.
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Re: Chimney height

PostBy: Yanche On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:09 pm

For an exact answer on chimney draft you need to evaluate the chemistry equations for combustion of Anthracite coal in air. That a look at this spreadsheet link:

http://www.repp.org/discussiongroups/re ... 7-2003.xls

It's a calculation for the combustion of wood in a cooking stove. Note how the author has carefully calculated the moles of gases produced by burning the wood, added excess air and then determined chimney draft. You would need to do the same for Anthracite coal, empirical formula: C240H90O4NS
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Re: Chimney height

PostBy: frankg7 On: Mon Aug 11, 2008 9:31 am

I'm brand new to the coal and alternative heat scene, and I've been trying to research chimney designs, and came across these links in the above mentioned wood stove site.

It seems as though having a chimney as hot or hotter than the exterior air is the key to proper drafting. But like I said, I'm new to all of this.


http://www.woodheat.org/chimneys/trichim.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


http://www.woodheat.org/chimneys/evilchim.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.


I guess if you have the stove running all the time, this Neutral Pressure Plane idea is not an issue.
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Re: Chimney height

PostBy: Devil505 On: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:01 am

frankg7 wrote:It seems as though having a chimney as hot or hotter than the exterior air is the key to proper drafting. But like I said, I'm new to all of this.


Very true & welcome Frank!

What you said above really become critical when it's relatively warm outside & you are trying to keep a cool fire burning in your appliance. The greater the temp difference between the air inside the chimney & the air outside, the better the draft....& vice versa! :devil:
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Re: Chimney height

PostBy: chemung On: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:23 am

frankg7 wrote:I'm brand new to the coal and alternative heat scene, and I've been trying to research chimney designs, and came across these links in the above mentioned wood stove site.

http://www.woodheat.org/chimneys/evilchim.htm
This link is broken, either the page no longer exists or there is some other issue like a typo.



Thanks Frank. Some good reading at that link. Chimney height has been a bother to my plans. I'm set up for a chimney on the outside end of my ranch house. The vent hole through the foundation is below grade and there are a few course of block outside bringing it about 30 inches above grade then capped off. It is located very near the lowest part of a steep pitched roof (outside corner of the house). I figure I would need to build a chimney very high to have enough clearance for a good draft. I'm considering a hand fired and I think I'll look into a power vent on my chimney base.
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