Hitzer 503 Arrives

Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:47 pm

The Hitzer 503 insert arrived. Nice stove, big firebox!
They added a damper to control the fire better.
Pictures of what we have so far and the full install to follow.
The masons need to put on a cap and fix anything they find up top.
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503 in a box
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Unwrapped
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Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:56 pm

More 503 shots
Firebox pictures
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4+ bricks deep 3+ wide
Yes they are on a slight angle hopper at top
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Damper at center
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From the top into hopper. Damper runs into hopper
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Hopper lid. Heavy with gasket to seal hopper.
No hinges!
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Shaker grate engagement point. Each grate independent lies behind ash door.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
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Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Fri Aug 08, 2008 11:06 pm

This is all for now.
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Firebox no bricks. Getting ready to move. Stove on crash diet!
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Blower outlet. 1 each side. Switch at bottom thermo/off/on
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Keeping it pretty! New hand truck for $20.
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Work smart not hard! Use ramps whenever possible.
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Damper closeup. Half open.
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Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: Freddy On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:40 am

It's a beauty! Congrats on getting it home.
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 130 (pea)
Hot Air Coal Stoker Stove: Reading piece o' junk in the barn (rice)
Coal Size/Type: Pea size, Superior, deep mined

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:52 am

Very nice looking stove.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Chubby Sr. Old School

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 7:55 am

Nice looking....... it looks huge!
Have fun with it! :D

(How much was it, if you don't mind my asking?)
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Stove/Furnace Make: Harman
Stove/Furnace Model: TLC-2000

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:52 am

$1625 plus $210 for shipping. I had a commercial establishment with a forklift receive the shipment to get a better trucking rate.
Hitzer bumped the price $50 July 1 so they should be $1675 now. Comes with a 6" surround that was not shown and did not get the gold trim package.
I am going to install a temperature gauge and manometer to keep an eye on things. It will take a bit of planing as it is an insert and everything will be buried and a PIA to move the stove back out to fix anything that is not right the first time.
They make a nice radiant stove also, the 82, that is under $900.
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 12:17 pm

CapeCoaler wrote:$1625 plus $210 for shipping.


Not a bad price! (looks allot more expensive)
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Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:47 pm

Bought sight unseen, other than the web and the brochure from Hitzer, I am very happy with the build quality. Very helpful phone support from the company, so I felt confident that any issues could be resolved with a phone call to the factory, as there are no dealers close by.
Time to build the coal bins to hold 4-5 ton. Each will hold up to 5000 lbs because the pallet jack limit is 5000 lbs and they have to be moved after they are loaded. They will live in the basement. A 4 by 4 cube should do the trick, 14" cutout for a shovel hole and a baby doghouse to minimize spillage. When one is almost empty roll the full one in and top it off with the dregs.
The only debate is if a insulated liner needs to be installed as it is an outside-north-facing-brick chimney with three flues so there is a huge mass to contend with and the fire always needed to be run hot to get a smoke free draft. It is fully lined with chimney tile in good shape but the tile is sized for a fireplace not a 6" flue. Hitzer says not to exceed 3 times the cross sectional area and it does not.
The question is whether to do it with the insulated liner when the weather is nice, possibly not have needed it, but know that you have the best draft possible under any condition or to just run a flex pipe past the smoke shelf into the flue and save $700.
I am leaning towards the liner because I like the 'best draft possible' part. There is 18' of flue above the smoke shelf.
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: Adamiscold On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:38 am

Cape, we bought our stove from Mason's Corner 522 American Legion Hwy. West Port, MA 02790 (508)636-7992 they sold Hitzer stoves there too. From here they seem to be fairly close to you. Very nice young couple Jen and Brian, very pleasant to take with.
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Stove/Furnace Make: Chubby Sr. Old School

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:26 am

I'd leave the chimney alone, I think you will have plenty of draft with the 18' of masony chimney. But that does depend on the topography of your house and setting.. if you have buildings or trees blocking the normal wind, or if you are in a valley where the wind can blow down on your house, then maybe a liner or an addtion to the height of the chimney is a good idea.

A manometer will tell the tale very quickly.. glad to hear you are going to hook one up. Then it's not guesswork as to why your fire is burning the way it is.

Greg L.

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LsFarm
 
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Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:28 pm

Adam, still over an hour and a half away.
Hitzer was not adding any dealers to their network due to the "frenzy" so the store I deal with that is local could not help me out.
Ordering direct from Hitzer was a pleasure and it went very well. I knew what I wanted and they were happy to accommodate me.

Greg, I need to verify the flue size if it is the 12 by 12 tile @102" that I suspect.If so then it is over the 3 times factor (84") from 6"
round @28"and I will just do the lining.

With the MPD in the mix should I have a port for the manometer above the damper and below the damper? How does the MPD effect the draft readings?
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:09 pm

If you are talking about the damper/restrictor that Hitzer put in the stove that will not effect the actual draft much if any.

If you are talking about adding a manual damper you should read the many manual damper threads.. a manual damper is not a good idea, especially if you have a marginal draft chimney.. install a barometric damper.

108", is that the square inches of flue area? Chimney height and whether it is inside or outside the house has a huge bearing on the draft as well as the area of the flue tile.. you need to keep the chimney warmer than the outside air to get it to draft, that is the issue.

Greg L
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Stoker Coal Boiler: Axeman Anderson 260
Hand Fed Coal Boiler: Self-built 'Big Bertha' SS Boiler
Baseburners & Antiques: Keystone 11, Art Garland

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:10 pm

Greg
Hitzer added a movable damper to the 503. I had read about the draft issues other 503 owners had and asked about the restrictor plate when I ordered the stove. They told me it was no longer necessary as they had a design change and added a damper. There are a couple of shots of it in the pictures above.
The flue is 102 sq inches and the stove collar is 28 sq inches. Hitzer specs 84 sq inches as maximum size flue, 3 times collar size.
I was curious where the manometer should be ported to in regards to the built in damper.
No place to locate a barometric damper as it is a fireplace insert and the space in the firebox is inaccessible with the stove running.
Going to mount the manometer as a permanent install to facilitate damper adjustments along with the temperature probe.
I have gone through the MPD threads and understand the issue of weak draft and CO.
I am starting to lean to the insulated liner side of the equation as the parameters for a good reliable draft are borderline with this particular chimney.
I have the height but it is a large chimney with 3 flues, exterior, rectangular, large surface area exposed to outside temps, north side of the house, over sized flue and an efficient coal stove that has a lower temp exhaust.
I want to be able to run the stove in the early spring and late fall when a good draft would be necessary.
A nice September day spent on the roof installing the insulated liner seems to be a good investment at this point.
I still would like to know about the manometer port, pre or post MPD.
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Hitzer 503 Arrives

PostBy: LsFarm On: Sun Aug 10, 2008 3:32 pm

I believe I'd want the manometer to read draft over the fire, before the built in damper.. This way you can see if the fire has sufficient draft to pull air through the coal bed.

A manual damper in general doesn't control draft, it controls flow.. however if you reduce flow too much then the chimney will cool down and then draft will be reduced.

Here is a thread with several links to info and discussions about chimney draft: Chimney height

Greg L
LsFarm
 
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