Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:33 pm

BugsyR wrote:You make it sound that Bush and McCain are denying benefits to us Vets. I don't know of anyone being denied medical. I know some are being denied full pay (usually happens after they go see the Old Man for doing something stupid....but that has nothing to do with Bush or McCain.... :lol: ). So what legal passed by law benefits are you talking about when you say...

My point is that this administration & John McCain are "short-sheeting" both our active duty personnel & retired vets in terms of the benefits (not privileges) that they are guaranteed by law.



Back! (I know...I know......You couldn't wait,right? :lol: )



First let me make a point:
I am not a lawyer (so perhaps we should get Stockingfull or another lawyer to chime in if they ever read this) but here's my earlier point, put more exactly:

Privilege: To me (a layman) I define a "Privilege" as something good that may or may not be given to you by your employer based on you earning it, somehow. It's not guaranteed.

Benefit:: I define as something guaranteed as part of your employment contract.

Now.....To answer the question you asked:

There are almost daily news stories of Iraqi War veterans being denied medical care for things this administration tortures the English language to avoid claiming responsibility for.

1. GW Bush has hidden & denied the fact that more Iraqi war veterans are committing suicide than any other soldiers/veterans in history. (Provable Fact!)...Thus they are being intentionally (an unconscionably) denied access to the psychological medical care that they deserve & have earned.

2. How many horror stories have we heard about the interminable wait that many GI must endure before they receive some medical care. (Walter Reed scandal comes to mind)
Medical care delayed is medical care denied....to steal a legal phrase about "Justice"


Just a few examples right off the top of my head.

My point is , as I and many others see it, that our both our active duty military & veterans are merely paid lip service too by this admin & John McCain for crass political purposes in election years, but when real increased benefits are proposed to help these GI's when they retire, they are shot down by Bush & McCain in the worst form of hypocrisie imaginable!

(just compare the veteran's benefits proposed in a bill by Virginia Senator Webb (an ex Republican & Sec. of the Navy for R.Reagan) to that watered down, "Face Saving" bill that was supported by Bush & McCain & finally signed into law. Ask the veterans which bill they would have preferred?? ...but Bush had threatened to veto because it was to good for our veterans!)

Ask almost any veteran except Mike (BugsyR) that is! :D :poke:
We need a change!
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: BugsyR On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:54 pm

Devil505 wrote:
There are almost daily news stories of Iraqi War veterans being denied medical care for things this administration tortures the English language to avoid claiming responsibility for.

1. GW Bush has hidden & denied the fact that more Iraqi war veterans are committing suicide than any other soldiers/veterans in history. (Provable Fact!)...Thus they are being intentionally (an unconscionably) denied access to the psychological medical care that they deserve & have earned.

2. How many horror stories have we heard about the interminable wait that many GI must endure before they receive some medical care. (Walter Reed scandal comes to mind)
Medical care delayed is medical care denied....to steel a legal phrase about "Justice"


Just a few examples right off the top of my head.

My point is , as I and many others see it, that our both our active duty military & veterans are merely paid lip service too by this admin & John McCain for crass political purposes in election years, but when real increased benefits are proposed to help these GI's when they retire, they are shot down by Bush & McCain in the worst form of hypocrisie imaginable!
We need a change!


So what you are actually saying is that the "Socialized" Military Medical is not all that great? Here is a fine reason why socialized medicine does not work.
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:20 pm

BugsyR wrote:o what you are actually saying is that the "Socialized" Military Medical is not all that great? Here is a fine reason why socialized medicine does not work.



Man.....You are feisty today Mike! :box:


No....What I am saying is that the "Socialized" Military Medical system is not perfect & needs to be improved.
It needs to be made immune from the hypocritical whims & lies of an immoral President who cares nothing about anyone but himself & his rich friends & has ruined my country! :mad: :lol: :mad: :lol: :devil:


Man....you really got me rolling now!! :lol:


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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: BugsyR On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:34 pm

Devil505 wrote: Man.....You are feisty today Mike! :box:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


but you did say in another thread that the socialized medicine that the military has has worked fine for many years... :poke:

:lol:
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:38 pm

BugsyR wrote:but you did say in another thread that the socialized medicine that the military has has worked fine for many years... :poke:



Sure.......Just like our government has worked fine for over 200 years......That is until GW Bush got his diseased, effeminate,privileged & infected fingers on the helm! :lol: :lol: :devil:


:poke: Right back at ya! :lol:
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:48 pm

Actually Devil, if you talk with some Vietnam vets or Korean War vets, they had even less access to help, and care,, the difference is that the media is involved now, painting anybody they can with a wid brush of 'shame' for what a decade or so ago was standard proceedure..

You need to be a journalist.. your degree of indignation for anything and everything knows no bounds or limits..

I have lots of friends who were in 'Nam and have told me what I wrote above.. all this 'post tramatic stress syndrom' stuff is new and all blow out of proportion by the .... guess who?? THE MEDIA... any surprises??

Why don't you just burn a few GWB dolls, burning him in effigy may make you feel better, and he's gone in a few months anyway, and McCain is NOT Bush.. he has his own mind,, inspite of the DNC's drivel that you live and breath...

The constant mantra of McCain is just four more years of Bush.. is such BS... anymore than if Obammmamma gets in and that will be four years of Daly's Chicago politics... oh, wait, it probably WILL be four years of Daly and Reverand Wright....

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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: BugsyR On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:54 pm

Well after several Yuengling I finally watched the you tube show.....

Not bad...3 young Vets for a 4 minute ad....3 young Vets....for 4 minutes.....3...only 3....hmmm

3....young....vets

I thought that they would have at least went out and got some good spokesman for the current GI Bill to give a good example on how much different the current GI Bill differs from the new that McCain doesn't support but instead they found...

3...young...vets

3 talking for 4+ minutes.....just 3....talking about what they know about themselves.....3
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:15 pm

:lol: :shock: :o :mad: 8-)

No surprises here,, more MEDIA BS at it's best.

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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: coalmeister On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:32 pm

Devil505 wrote:
BugsyR wrote:but you did say in another thread that the socialized medicine that the military has has worked fine for many years... :poke:


:poke: Right back at ya! :lol:

"Sure.......Just like our government has worked fine for over 200 years......That is until GW Bush got his diseased, effeminate,privileged & infected fingers on the helm! :lol: :lol: :devil: "



Devil, Tell us what you really think!

Man, in all my years of politics I have never heard such venomous hate from some on the left, like I hear for GWB. Must be losing 2 very very close elections will mess people up like that. Guess ole' George has the last laugh on messing with peoples head too!

I remember when Carter was Prez and thinking it could not be worse (well then again I was wrong, you can now add traitor, communist sympathizer, anti semitic, American back stabber and ignorant moron to his resume but I digress) but I didn't hate the guy. Clinton gave out something like 180 pardons to criminals FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN but I didn't venomously hate the guy.

I bet the election will be razor close so if McCain wins it will be interesting to see the level of hate for him develop. Ah, American politics...
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:42 pm

LsFarm wrote:and McCain is NOT Bush.. he has his own mind,, inspite of the DNC's drivel that you live and breath...



LsFarm wrote:The constant mantra of McCain is just four more years of Bush.. is such BS..



While I admit to harping about McCain being 4 more years of Bush, you harp that he isn't Bush, but in all your posts you have still not posted one difference between McCain & Bush......So.......... I'll try again Greg: Forget the DNC drivel, as you call it, why won't a McCain Presidency just be 4 more years of Bush policies & probably Bush personnel & advisers?
What policies would be different?
Who do you think would be McCain's Sec. Of State, for example? (I say Condee Rice would be asked to stay)
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:58 pm

coalmeister wrote:Devil, Tell us what you really think!



I guess you're right.......I have to be less subtle about my views! :funny:

coalmeister wrote:Man, in all my years of politics I have never heard such venomous hate from some on the left, like I hear for GWB.


But you have also not seen this country in such desperate straights, (economically, foreign affairs wise, judicially or in any way) since the Great Depression of 1929!

coalmeister wrote:I remember when Carter was Prez and thinking it could not be worse (well then again I was wrong,


You're quite right there....GW Bush has made things much worse!!...So, we agree!! :D
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 9:42 pm

BugsyR wrote:3 talking for 4+ minutes.....just 3....talking about what they know about themselves.....3



Yes Mike....Just 3 vets...........but

That makes 3 against 1, if my higher math is right. :idea:


You are out voted! :whip:
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Thu Aug 14, 2008 11:10 pm

Quote:\
While I admit to harping about McCain being 4 more years of Bush, you harp that he isn't Bush, but in all your posts you have still not posted one difference between McCain & Bush......So.......... I'll try again Greg: Forget the DNC drivel, as you call it, why won't a McCain Presidency just be 4 more years of Bush policies & probably Bush advisers?
What policies would be different?
Who do you think would be McCain's Sec. Of State, for example? (I say Condee Rice would be asked to stay) / unquote

Dick:
I'll put it this way, any comment by you or me is PURE SPECULATION.. Neither you nor I know what will transpire to say otherwise is PURE BS..!! What color car is he going to buy next??? or what make of shoes or???? He is his own man,, nobody owns him.. so for you to keep saying that he will do XXX is PURE SPECULATION.. And NO you cannot guess or surmise what he will do by looking at his past ... You can get a general gist, but to try to say he will give x cabinet post to X or Y is just guessing..

This is why all the DNC BS is just political drivel... it's just fodder for the masses to hear over and over again till they nod their heads in sync... just automatons being programed by the Media...

Like the chant for 'change'
or the drivel: just 4 more years of Bush

Maybe the democratic voter needs to by hypnotized into not thinking,, just nodding their heads in sync... sort of Orwellian..

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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 12:32 am

You're getting off the beaten track here Devil, again McCain didn't support the bill by the Democrats because it grannted these bonuses without nay incentives to attain them. Again I'll ask you to prove me wrong. Don't point to some propaganda either to do it but let's hear it from McCain himself. Frankly he should be credited for sticking to his reasons for not supporting it because he would have known full well the Democrats were going to blow it out of proportion like you're doing. I get a little tired of seeing these "feel good" bills passed that are legislators support not because its the right thing to do but instead because they fear for their political careers.

Devil505 wrote:1. GW Bush has hidden & denied the fact that more Iraqi war veterans are committing suicide than any other soldiers/veterans in history. (Provable Fact!)...


Where's your proof? I haven't added them up but as far as active personnel goes the suicide rate is much lower during the bush administration than the Clinton Administration and he wasn't even in a protracted conflict.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL32492.pdf
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Re: Why Won't Sen. McCain Support Our Troops?

PostBy: EasySteaminBT On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:21 am

Barack Obama Plans to cut the military. While he plans on boosting the Army and Marine Corps, the Navy and Air Force will most likely be cut. He is unsure of himself on what his plans are :what: .

"Just because I don't want to reduce, uh, in a significant way necessarily, uh, Air Force, uh, and Naval personnel" Barack Obama.

Sorry, but we really don't need a decrease in our Navy. What we need is an increase of ships. The contracting went back to the Cost Plus Fee way after Clinton was in the white house. Bush Sr's cut in the military was a relatively low percentage, compared to the Clinton administrations Gutting. Bush Sr's selection of Cheney as SECDEF was horrible.

"I will slow our development of future combat systems" Obama

He sends very mixed messages, doesn't he? And how about this one:

"I will set a goal of a world without Nuclear weapons, to seek that goal I will not develop new nuclear weapons, I will seek a global ban the production of fissile material, and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair trigger alert and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals." Obama

The terrorists would love to see that.

John McCain has proven himself to fight the pork barrel projects that have been going on which is something that has been plaguing our military for a while. He was a part of the Reagan revolution. There is talks of John F. Lehman Jr in McCain's cabinet. I do hope they would make him SECDEF. Lehman and others of the Reagan administration revolutionized the way the Navy went about contracting to name one of many accomplishments. The revision of contracting, and implementations of various programs, to include BOSS, as well as a team to fight the ridiculous claims against the Navy from contractors, and so on, proved valuable and effective. The reintroduction of competition opened the door for further cost savings, vice a more expensive sole sourcing attitude. Accomplishments like the reactivation of the four Iowa Class Battleships which came in under budget. Nimitz Carrier procurements (which Lehman fought for back in the 70's and was against the smaller carriers), which also came in under budget, getting more support ships to MSC, Mercy and Comfort hospital ships and numerous other accomplishments. The goal was improved Military as a whole to include morale and family life that was successful. Bush has thrown the money at the Military, but is blind to the contracting woes and other issues. A more expensive but less effective Military can not be tolerated any more.
Do you think that Obama will be capable of selecting a cabinet that would come anywhere near any of the accomplishments listed above? I think the answer to that question is a big NO.

Just look at some of the people advising him.

Jon Corzine : Opposes spending on Missile Defense ("Star Wars"). (Sep 2000)
Opposes more spending on Armed Forces personnel. (Sep 2000)

Mr Bradley: He was against increasing the defense budget. He talked about reform of the Military budget, but has done nothing about it. Don't forget there was a time he didn't think a force that can fight to conflicts was necessary, but changed his tune.

People keep saying "4 more years of Bush". Don't think so. It is funny how the democrats keep talking about a failed energy policy trying to blame republicans when 80+ percent of them have voted against further drilling and exploration. Hundreds of other congressman have the same experience as Obama. He is not ready to lead our country and he felt that way four years ago. Hope and Change? Change what, higher tax rates, windfall profits tax on the "evil oil companies" to give many a $1,000 dollar check that will wind up costing more in the long run. Believe it or not, the oil companies only see maybe 7% of their profits. The rest goes to taxes (in which they paid billions). Peoples Annuity, retirements and such are rolled in to the oil companies, so we should be applauding more profit. Obama seems to think profit is a bad thing. But when there is less profit, that means less for everyone, to include jobs, further expansion, and more of increased costs to the consumer. Sure, under Obama's plan everyone making $250,000 a year and over will be paying around 50.3% in taxes. That is ridiculous. Less money for the company, increased costs, cutting jobs, less money for expansion. So tax the hell out of everyone, and where do you think the jobs will go, overseas, and while we are taxing the "evil oil companies" and other industry who make "excessive profits", who will smile? the other folks overseas that are drilling freely, producing the steel we used to make, creating even more jobs and soaking up what we used to have.
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