How Long do we have?

How Long do we have?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 2:59 pm

Thought provocking email: backs up my sentiments and beliefs about the voting public:

How Long Do We Have?

About the time our original thirteen states adopted their new constitution in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh , had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years earlier:

'A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government.'

'A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury.'

'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.'

'The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years'

'During those 200 years, those nations always progressed through the following sequence:

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage'

Professor Joseph Olson of Hemline University School of Law, St. Paul , Minnesota , points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election:

Number of States won by: Democrats: 19 Republicans: 29
Square miles of land won by: Democrats: 580,000 Republicans: 2,427,000
Population of counties won by: Democrats: 127 million Republicans: 143 million
Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Democrats: 13.2 Republicans: 2.1

Professor Olson adds: 'In aggregate, the map of the territory Republican won was mostly the land owned by the taxpaying citizens of this great country. Democrat territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off various forms of government welfare...' Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the 'complacency and apathy' phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some forty percent of the nation's population already having reached the 'governmental dependency' phase.

If Congress grants amnesty and citizenship to twenty million criminal invaders called illegal's and they vote, then we can say goodbye to the USA in fewer than five years.

If you are in favor of this, then by all means, delete this message. If you are not, then pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom.


WE LIVE IN THE LAND OF THE FREE,
ONLY BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:24 pm

LsFarm wrote:'From that moment on, the majority always vote for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy,


This I think is by far the biggest issue we have. Everyone will get agitated when they see all the pork being dolled out to other areas of the country but will still reelect their own legislator out of fear of losing their own pork projects. Add to that you'll have legislators voting not what is in the best interest of their district or what the people would want but instead what is going to bring them the most support in the future for their own legislation.

The system breeds corruption, the only solution I see is term limits so these legislators cannot amass the power they do.. Get in, do your thing for a few years and get the hell out. With population of nearly 300 million people there are plenty of people qualified to fill those seats.
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:28 pm

Richard S. wrote:The system breeds corruption, the only solution I see is term limits so these legislators cannot amass the power they do.. Get in, do your thing for a few years and get the hell out. With population of nearly 300 million people there are plenty of people qualified to fill those seats.


I know this will be shocking to you but.....................I Agree! :lol: :devil: :rimshot: :up:

(I'd favor a system like the Presidential one.......Two Terms & then Hasta Lavista Baby!! (or however it's spelled!)


Edit: BTW, while this is Obama's first term...........How many is it for McCain again?? :poke:
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Richard S. On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 4:19 pm

Experience isn't bad but with term limits you'll have more fresh faces that have worked there way up through the ranks.
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:15 pm

Richard S. wrote:Experience isn't bad but with term limits you'll have more fresh faces that have worked there way up through the ranks.


& much less chance of the corruption you mention above.
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:17 pm

This one Devil won't agree with.

The Little Red Hen Story (as of today...)


Once upon a time, on a farm in Virginia , there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered quite a few grains of wheat. She called all of her Democrat neighbors together and said, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat.
Who will help me plant it?'

'Not I,' said the cow.

'Not I,' said the duck.=2 0

'Not I,' said the pig.

'Not I,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.

'Not I,' said the duck.

'Out of my classification,' said the pig.

'I 'd lose my seniority,' said the cow.

'I'd lose my unemployment compensation,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread.

'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.

'That would be overtime for me,' sa id the cow.

'I'd lose my welfare benefits,' said the duck.

'I'm a dropout and never learned how,' said the pig.

'If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves myself.'
'Excess profits!' cried the cow. (Nancy Pelosi)

'Capitalist leech!' screamed the duck. (Barbara Boxer)

'I demand equal rights!' yelled the goose. (Jesse Jackson)

The pig just grunted in disdain. (Ted Kennedy)

And they all painted 'Unfair!' picket signs and marched around and around the little red hen, shouti ng obscenities.

Then the farmer (Obama) came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must not be so greedy.'

'But I earned the bread,' said the little red hen.

'Exactly,' said Barack the farmer. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations, the productive workers must divide the fruits of their labor with those who are lazy and idle.'

And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand the Democratic System.'

But her neighbors became quite disappointed in her. She never again baked bread because she joined the 'party' and got her bread free.

And all the Democrats smiled. 'Fairness' had been established.

Individual initiative had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one really cared…
………………………………………….so long as=2 0there was free bread that 'the rich' were paying for.


EPILOGUE

Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs. Hillary got $8 million for hers. That's $20 million for the memories from two people, who for eight years, repeatedly testified, under oath, that they couldn't remember anything.

IS THIS A GREAT BARNYARD OR WHAT? Remember to vote often and vote correctly
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:27 pm

LsFarm wrote:This one Devil won't agree with.


The length of this document defends it well against the risk of its being read.
Winston Churchill



I''ll read it later :D
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:59 pm

Just amazing Greg, I heard a similar story just today!:

The Little Red Hen Story (as of today...)


Once upon a time, on a Ranch in Texas , there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered quite a few grains of wheat. She called all of her Republican neighbors together and said, 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat.
Who will help me plant it?'

'Not I,' said the cow.

'Not I,' said the duck.=2 0

'Not I,' said the pig.

'Not I,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

The wheat grew very tall and ripened into golden grain.

'Who will help me reap my wheat?' asked the little red hen.

'Not I,' said the duck.

'I'll get my maid to do it,' said the pig.

'I 'd lose tee off time at the club,' said the cow.

'I'd lose my Martini hour,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen, and so she did.

At last it came time to bake the bread.

'Who will help me bake the bread?' asked the little red hen.

'That would be beneath me,' sa id the cow.

'I'd lose my warm bath time,' said the duck.

'I'm a Republican and never learned how,' said the pig.

'If I'm to be the only helper, that would dirty my hands,' said the goose.

'Then I will do it by myself,' said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for all of her neighbors to see. They wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, 'No, I shall eat all five loaves myself.'
'Then I'll steal it!' cried the cow. (Exxon-Mobil CEO)

'Capitalist leech!' screamed the jealous duck. (Shell Oil CEO)

'I demand an unfair amount of profits!' yelled the goose. (Getty CEO)

The pig just grunted , as he is to stupid to actually speak! (George Bush)

And they all got driven to the country club by limousine where they got drunk.
Then the farmer (John McCain) came. He said to the little red hen, 'You must be more greedy.'

'But I overcharged everyone for the bread,' said the little red hen.

'Exactly,' said McCain the farmer. 'That is what makes our free enterprise system so wonderful. Anyone in the barnyard can steal as much as he wants, and under our Republican stewardship of this country, we can just spit on the little people!

And they all lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, 'I am grateful, for now I truly understand the Republican System.'

But her neighbors all froze in the winter & then starved to death.

And all the Republicans smiled. 'Law & Order' had been established.

The US Constitution had died, but nobody noticed; perhaps no one really cared…
………………………………………….so long as The Bush & McCain families could wear their $1500.00 shoes!

EPILOGUE

George Bush is getting $27.99 for his memoirs. Condee Rice got $35.34 for hers. That's a great amount for the memories from two people, who for eight years, attempted to destroy the United States.
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Hmmm......Seems to me I've heard this story before???
:lol: :devil:
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: chemung On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:30 pm

LsFarm wrote;

1. from bondage to spiritual faith;
2. from spiritual faith to great courage;
3. from courage to liberty;
4. from liberty to abundance;
5. from abundance to complacency;
6. from complacency to apathy;
7. from apathy to dependence;
8. from dependence back into bondage'


:gee: I would rank the U.S. at #7. :(

Just an old mans opinion.
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:42 pm

Greg, I agree fully.

Devil, I'm sorry, my friend, you just don't get it!
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:46 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:Devil, I'm sorry, my friend, you just don't get it!


I get it John...I just don't agree!

But you have to admit that this was a funny line: :lol:
......."The pig just grunted , as he is to stupid to actually speak! (George Bush)".......
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 8:55 pm

Maybe one day you will have an epiphany and join the Right! :D :shock:
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:12 pm

Wood'nCoal wrote:Maybe one day you will have an epiphany and join the Right! :D :shock:


That'll be the day after they drag my warm, dead hands off my my, "still burning" Harman TLC........PILGRIM! :rambo2:
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: Wood'nCoal On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:15 pm

:D :) :D
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Re: How Long do we have?

PostBy: LsFarm On: Fri Aug 15, 2008 11:49 pm

Somehow comparing George Bush to a pig just doesn't pass muster,, however comparing Ted Kenedy to a pig is a natural no-brainer comparisson..

And in general, republicans are hard working, home and landowners who know how to do lots of things, and don't shirk work, so your re-write doesn't pass muster at all. in reality a republican texas neighborhood would have collectively created a bread factory and employed many people, raising the economic well being of the town.

Just re-writting my posts is a very weak way to reply,, you obviously just don't get it.

Greg L.
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