Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Lola Coalfire On: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:41 pm

Incidentally, and Poconoeagle guffawed at this, all communication from this end had been from my iphone. That's right. One finger, one letter at a time, in mineature. Gee, maybe THAT'S why I have this headache?
Thanks to you all. (these brownies are burnt but good.)
Lola Coalfire
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kodiak

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Lola Coalfire On: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:43 pm

G'day Yous Y'all!
Poconoeagle's consultancy visit yesterday was a blessing--no, a miracle! I'd gotten so worried about my stove's non-performance, all the no-turning-back investment I'd made toward heating with coal, and my brazen confidence. (I admit to tears at times.)
This morning was wonderful. I came down to a nice warm stove. I shook it in the new, more assertive style bestowed on me yesterday, and completed the rest of stove diaper changing. A calm but robust fire is keeping me warm while I finally unpack more boxes. Yes, I think I will make it through my first winter!
Perky,how you cookin? Identical stoves. I do live in the old part of the Pines. I don't have one of those gorgeous river rock lodges, but I have a sweet 100 year old wooden cottage. We'll have to meet. Y can show me your stove, and I'll show you mine! (like looking in a mirror)
Lola Coalfire
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kodiak

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Perky On: Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:37 pm

Lola,
How ya doin? Still warm? Getting the hang of it? Are you able to go to work, without running home. I'm still going after 3 days...trying to learn the ins and outs before it gets colder. Waiting for Indian Summer to arrive, but since we didn't have a summer, think I'll be waiting til next year.
Perky
Perky
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska/Franco Belge
Stove/Furnace Model: Kodiak/1375


Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Lola Coalfire On: Thu Oct 15, 2009 3:29 pm

Hang of it? I should say so! It is burning beautifully. I'm beginning to wonder if the 5 ton I've got stashed will last me through October. :) It's snowing on October 15!
Stay warm.
Lola Coalfire
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kodiak

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Poconoeagle On: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:03 pm

Well. If ya weigh the hod, then do a normal fill and weigh again, you should be able to figure out per day use and caculate how many days of coal u have. as the outside temp drops the useage will go up so figure over a period of time...

also weighing the ash left could help you spend countless hours caculating cost vs waste factors!! :D

save the ash for the driveway to keep the wittle kar from swippin :P

if ya used 75# / day you run out mid Feb??? or so u need enough to get to april or so. ;) :o
Poconoeagle
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Buckwalter & Co. , EFM520
Stove/Furnace Model: No. 28 Glenwood 1880, Alaska

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Lola Coalfire On: Sat Oct 17, 2009 4:47 pm

Oh dear! I better put in a wood burner so I can use my furniture to stay warm the rest of the year! :|

I'd like to figure out how, from this iphone, to post a shot of my lovely coal shed...and post it in the appropriate thread. I'm SO proud of it! (But now it seems a wee bit small!) :shock:
Lola Coalfire
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kodiak

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Lola Coalfire On: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:16 am

...I realize its only me talkin here, but... :) Guess what! It wasn't only my whimpy shaking,the baro was in the wrong location as well. Our hero, Poconoeagle, moved it from where it was parked right off the stove collar, to about 18" further out on the pipe. Wow! This Kodiak's a totally different bear, now!!! Grrrrrrrrr! The stove thermometer didn't know what to think! How that Sweep got certified I don't know? (Yeah, he's certifiable, all right.)
Lola Coalfire
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Alaska
Stove/Furnace Model: Kodiak

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: poconoman On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:28 pm

My friend has a wood fireplace and he wants to put in a pellet insert. Does he need to install the SS chimney to the roof? The chimney is NOT mason. BTW, he can't use a power vent.

Thanks
poconoman
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Leisure Line
Stove/Furnace Model: Hyfire II

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:20 pm

Pellet stoves come with there own set of rules...
Most pellet stoves need their pipes to go all the way outside...
Either up the chimney or out thru the wall...
CapeCoaler
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: want AA130
Hand Fed Coal Stove: DS Machine BS#4, Harman MKII, Hitzer 503,...
Coal Size/Type: Pea/Nut/Stove

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: coal berner On: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:40 am

samw334 wrote:A stainless steel liner just creates a barrier between your masonry chimney and the creosote buildup from burning. I would put a chimney liner in just to save my masonry chimney the wear and tear.

No need for a S.S. liner if your burning coal only wood creates creosote . Coal makes fly ash the fly ash will eat threw a
S.S. liner in a few short years But not a masonry chimney with a tile or clay liner good for a few hundred Years
coal berner
 
Stoker Coal Boiler: 1986 Electric Furnace Man 520 DF
Stove/Furnace Make: Electric Furnace Man
Stove/Furnace Model: DF520

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: Berlin On: Tue Mar 16, 2010 11:45 am

There's NO creosote with coal. the problem is you're not "saving your masonry chimney from wear and tear" you are wasting money on an expensive, unnecessary item that will fail within a few short years creating a significant risk and safety hazard by collapsing and blocking the flue etc. Masonry flues will last without issue over 100 years with coal, stainless, 3-8 if you're lucky. stainless liners with coal are an unnecessary hazard that shouldn't even be allowed due to their rapid failure.
Berlin
 
Hot Air Coal Stoker Furnace: Will-Burt Combustioneer 77B
Coal Size/Type: Ohio BITUMINOUS pea stoker coal

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: captcaper On: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:55 am

Berlin wrote:There's NO creosote with coal. the problem is you're not "saving your masonry chimney from wear and tear" you are wasting money on an expensive, unnecessary item that will fail within a few short years creating a significant risk and safety hazard by collapsing and blocking the flue etc. Masonry flues will last without issue over 100 years with coal, stainless, 3-8 if you're lucky. stainless liners with coal are an unnecessary hazard that shouldn't even be allowed due to their rapid failure.

When is the SS liner most likely to deteriorate? during the off season or when it's running 24/7?
captcaper
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman Super Magnum
Stove/Furnace Model: Super Magnum Stoker

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: jrn8265 On: Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:57 am

During the off season!
jrn8265
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Keystoker Koker
Stove/Furnace Model: Koker 160

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: captcaper On: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:01 am

Berlin wrote:There's NO creosote with coal. the problem is you're not "saving your masonry chimney from wear and tear" you are wasting money on an expensive, unnecessary item that will fail within a few short years creating a significant risk and safety hazard by collapsing and blocking the flue etc. Masonry flues will last without issue over 100 years with coal, stainless, 3-8 if you're lucky. stainless liners with coal are an unnecessary hazard that shouldn't even be allowed due to their rapid failure.

When is the SS liner most likely to deteriorate? during the off season or when it's running 24/7?
captcaper
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman Super Magnum
Stove/Furnace Model: Super Magnum Stoker

Re: Do I need a stainless steel liner for my chimney?

PostBy: captcaper On: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:11 am

jrn8265 wrote:During the off season!

Sorry for the double post. I've been having DSL line problems here in rural NH. I can't find a way to delete it.

I've been reading about the SS not holding up and I have a double wall one I installed a few years ago so I've been taking some oil from my trucks oil change and burnt that a few times in a pan stuff with oil and rags in the Harman. It left a hell of a oil like coating to the inside of it so I hope this help slow down the acid burn over the summer. When I restarted the stove this fall I got a good hot wood fire going to burn off the soot/oil film. I checked the outside Tee clean out and it looks good up as far as I can see. If and when I do have a problem I will convert to a Mason chimney.
captcaper
 
Stove/Furnace Make: Harman Super Magnum
Stove/Furnace Model: Super Magnum Stoker