Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chabbo On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:36 am

Devil505:

I will be writing in Ron Paul for President. Drastic situations need drastic measures. I wish I could do more than simply cast my vote for him, because I know he has no chance as well. I guess that is why I am sharing this information about him here on this forum -- to get others to at least look at his proposals and plans for America. Ron Paul has the only viable, comprehensive approach to getting the United States back to the powerful, resourceful nation that it should be. Once again, I urge you all to read his book, The Revolution, to get an idea of where he stands on the issues and look at his voting record to see if he has the "guts" to follow through on them. I think you will be pleasantly surprised with his views and how much they are in line with what most Americans are looking for in and from their government.

Manny
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: titleist1 On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:41 am

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and I will vote for him again in Nov.
I would recommend watching his interview with Bill Moyer.
Sorry, I don't have a link, I saw it on TV quite a while back.

By voting for him, I don't consider myself a "fringe lunatic" just someone who actually listens to the candidates and votes on what I hear them say rather than simply pulling a party lever. As stated above, I don't expect him to get many votes, but I also don't consider my vote wasted.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:48 am

chabbo wrote:I will be writing in Ron Paul for President. Drastic situations need drastic measures.


Thanks Manny. Do you know any links where I can get a quicker synopsis of his positions on various issues? (health care, energy,jobs, taxes, etc)

Examples of what I favor:

I want the troops out of Iraq
Rolling back the Bush tax breaks for the rich & corporate welfare for big oil
affordable health care for all US citizens
Pro choice (preference)
Tax incentives for keeping jobs in U.S. rather than vice versa as it is now
Real alternative fuel assistance (not more "lip service" from pro-oil hypocrites)
Candidate can only own ONE mansion! :lol:
Candidate cannot wear shoes that cost more than my car
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chabbo On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:40 pm

Devil:

Here is a good place for little articles by Ron Paul on various issues:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/

Glad to see your request.

Manny
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chabbo On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:51 pm

I just checked his website, and it has a good synopsis of where Ron Paul stands on various issues: http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/

Manny
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 6:22 pm

Ron Paul seems like a straight shooter. Too bad the media doesn't give him more attention.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: coalkirk On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:02 pm

The media has made Ron Paul out to be a crack pot. Unfortunatley they have the power to do that. He's the only one who was running that I could feel good about voting for. He's a constitutionalist, not beholding to special intrests.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:14 pm

We need someone who can standup for what is right and needs to be done. I wonder if a guy like Ron Paul could really get things done or would the other slimeball politicians handcuff him.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chemung On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 7:40 am

titleist1 wrote:I voted for Ron Paul in the primary and I will vote for him again in Nov.
I would recommend watching his interview with Bill Moyer.
Sorry, I don't have a link, I saw it on TV quite a while back.



http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... type=&aq=f
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chabbo On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:04 am

Traderfjp:

You are right that we need to elect more politicians that belong to the Ron Paul way of thinking -- it may just materialize -- where a new party is formed to push its agenda and elect those that are Ron Paul "Republican Libertarians." But the American people must lead and demand that formation. Only then will it start having credible legs in the eyes of the media. The two party system is broken and there needs to be a more viable party alternative that more closely resembles the wishes of a large group of American people, if not the majority. Time for complacency is over. Time for action is now. I will now only vote for those individuals that closely hold the positions of the Republican Libertarians, whether for President, Congress, or state and local elected positions.

Part of the problem is the perception that if you are not a Democrat or a Republican, you are a an extremist crackpot. Unfortunately, that feeds into and perpetuates the two party system. Those people unhappy with their party have to look for alternatives and not worry about any stigma associated with it. When people ask me to tell them something about Ron Paul and why I am voting for him, I simply say that he is in favor of closing the vast majority of our 100+ military bases around the world that were set up when we were the Police to the World to stabilize the areas after WWII. That was 60+ years ago. How many trillions of dollars have the taxpayers funded for this extravaganza? When will it end? When will American taxpayers stop funding this practice without any financial support from other countries? Not one other Presidential candidate even discusses this as a remote possibility, never mind a debatable issue, yet, they would love to tell you where they stand on the definition of "marriage." Our politicians respond to what they hear from their constituents -- we need to be more organized and clear on issues that need to resolved ASAP, and vote people in and out based on their performance on leading to those changes. If you truly think Obama or McCain will guide us closer to where the US needs to be in four years, then vote for them. If you truly think, however, Ron Paul will guide us closer to where the US needs to be in four years, then vote for him -- whether he has a chance or not. Vote for what is in the best interests of the American people and not for the lesser of two evils. That should be the standard used by all American voters, IMHO.

A lttle long -- sorry about the ranting.

Manny
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:20 am

The more I read about Ron Paul the more I'm thinking about seriously voting for him! (Honesty is so refreshing!)
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:29 pm

Come on Devil, you have a thousand hours invested in Obama at this point. Are you going to jump ship now?
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:57 pm

coaledsweat wrote:Come on Devil, you have a thousand hours invested in Obama at this point. Are you going to jump ship now?


If you go back through my posts I think you'll find I have "a thousand hours invested in" anti Bush/McCain ranting! At this point, after 8 years of being lied too & intellectually insulted with tortured logic, the thing that attracts me the most is just plain honesty. I am serious in saying that I will vote for any candidate that I feel is being honest, while passing a "Threshold" of certain requirements, such as having always been against this foolish Bush sideshow in Iraq & for affordable health care for all US citizens. ......That certainly is not McCain! (Come on you guys......Aren't you all insulted by a guy who vows to "Win" in Iraq...when he can't even define what the hell "Winning" is?!? We already won the war years ago & you can't "WIN" an occupation!
I will positively be voting against McCain but I am open to someone that meets my above tests. McCain will be Bush's 3rd term with an unassailable veto & anyone who denies that is just kidding themselves with wishful thinking & voting for a 26 year "fixture" in DC who came in at the bottom of his Annapolis class, & has done nothing to be proud of in the Senate or in his private life!
I'll be honest here, I have never said that Obama is our only hope......He is new to the American national scene & I have always admitted that he is a bit of a gamble. Therefore,my mind is open to anyone who meets my above stated tests. I like Ron Paul's guts in bucking the system & am keeping an open mind. :devil:
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 9:01 pm

As a teacher I'm very intersted in how candidates will manage our educational system. I went to Ron Paul's website and he has a link under issues yet education was missing. Is there any chance that Ron Paul would be part of any of the televised debates?
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chabbo On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:10 pm

Traderfjp:

Maybe this will help: http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Education.htm

HIs primary message on education is a libertarian one, viz., to leave educating children to the individual states and remove federal government involvement because it is not an authority that was transferred to the federal government under the US Constitution (If it isn't in the US Constitution, then powers are reserved by the individual states and cannot be usurped by the federal government).

Manny
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