Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:44 pm

Many school districts depend in the money they get from the federal government. You couldn't just top funding these schools without causing sever problems. I'll check out the link and see what he says.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:50 pm

I don't think anyone could or would stop federal funding of public schools. That would bring our total public school system down, throughout the country.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: coaledsweat On: Mon Aug 25, 2008 11:06 am

Well it won't have to travel down very far from what I've seen.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: spc On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:58 pm

Judgment?

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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: mikeandgerry On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 5:42 pm

I welcome government gridlock. Government today isn't help, it's oppression. Government today doesn't secure freedoms, it constrains them. Society is the product of unwritten rules and accepted behavior based on collective needs. The quantification of rules and behavior in the form of laws and regulations today has not begotten a stronger society, it has only begotten more laws, more programs and more regulation. The collective needs of society are misinterpreted, co-opted and free-lanced by political and media forces larger than our forefathers imagined.

The average person today has far less liberty than their forefathers. That is what "change" yields in today's terms. The relative affluence of the poorest classes in the US is testament to the benefits of capitalism as well as liberal government support. The problem that arises from this type of society is a lack of self-reliance and increased dependency coupled with a sense of entitlement among the poor. This translates to a cancer upon society that will destroy the middle class. The middle class is not a product of economic opportunity as much as one of social strength.

Real social strength, like family strength, is built through a nurturing environment during development that leads to independence and self-reliance in adult practice. For six decades the politicians have pandered to fears of the people and manipulated them handily. This has been enabled predominantly by the visual media, mainly television. Whether or not this was intended, it remains the major obstacle to the continued success of the US.

Both parties are complicit in this behavior. The American people have for much of that time attempted to balance the power of the parties at the polls. I believe they will be seeking such a balance this time as well.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:42 pm

The only thing that scares me about Obama is that he is a politician. You can hear it when he speaks. He is a smart guy but he dances around the issues sometimes or the question being asked with his fancy prose.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: pvolcko On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 6:52 pm

Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread. I just don't get a chance to converse with Ron Paul supporters too much and have been wondering this for the last couple months, so I'll try this again...

Ron Paul suspended his presidential campaign in June and is instead pursuing a political organizing effort called Campaign For Liberty. Ron Paul's positions are probably most associated with either the Libertarian or Constitutionalist parties. Bob Barr is the Libertarian party candidate. Chuck Baldwin is the Constitutionalist party candidate. What do you current and former Ron Paul supporters think of Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin? Will you vote for either instead of writing in for Ron Paul? If not, why not? Wouldn't writing in for Ron Paul simply dillute the Liberatrian/Constitutionalist/etc. vote even further, particularly given Ron Paul isn't even running for President anymore (I know suspend doesn't mean abandoned, but for all practical purposes he's not running anymore)?
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:15 pm

Too bad that out of 300 million people we only have two choices. It makes no sense. I wish Al Gore would have run for president. I also guess that the media makes these guys choose every word very carefully. Did u guys see the speech that Patterson gave when he became confused. It was hard to watch.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: gambler On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:44 pm

traderfjp wrote:I wish Al Gore would have run for president.


Oh please! Al Gore is one of the biggest A-holes out there. All he is interested in is taking your money.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: chabbo On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:35 pm

Paul:

I'll take a quick stab at your question about why Ron Paul and not Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin -- individuals whose names will actually appear on the ballot. I think Ron Paul distinguishes himself from all other candidates on several important pressing issues on my mind: the US economy, the US dollar and runaway creation of debt and other US government obligations. Ron Paul is the only candidate that I am aware of advocating for the elimination of the federal reserve, eliminating our fiat currency and bringing back the US dollar tied to gold, silver or something else of some value other than IOU's. I would urge you to look at Ron Paul's positon on those issues and, if you are at all concerned about the US economy and how we will pay for the 98 trillion dollars of obligations we owe, you will see why I am a supporter of Ron Paul and the elimination of the federal reserve and fiat currencies. Otherwise, I see hyperinflation being the only other option (which seems to be where we are now headed) available to the US to pay for those obligations with worthless dollars, at a price that punishes retirees and those that are savers and have learned to live within their means. The federal reserve (a private corporation of regional bank representatives) should not have the authority to expand or contract the availablity of US dollars without Congress' prior consent or approval. To allow this to continue allows the bankers to manipulate credit/debt beyond that which is prudent, never mind constitutional. Again, I would urge you to read Ron Paul's book, The Revolution. It will not take you long to read it and it will clearly detail the differences you are seeking among the other candidates.

As to your implied issue that the other candidates like Barr and Baldwin are actually on the ballot and therefore stand a better chance to be elected, I am not looking to cast my vote for the candidate more likely to win, but rather, for the candidate that can extricate the US from its inevitable economic collapse that I foresee sooner rather than later. I know of no debtor country with fiat currency that has not seen their currency ultimately collapse and I suspect the US will be no different. When will this happen is anyone's guess, but I am certain it will happen. Finally, by voting for Ron Paul, the message being sent to Washington is that more and more people are supporting Ron Paul and his ideas on these issues which, hopefully, gets more and more people willing to listen to what he has to say and, hopefully, adopt some of his positions as necessary action for us to take.

All this may sound like lunacy, but take a good look at the taxes you pay, the health of social security, our real estate, banking, auto, manufacturing, health care and other US economic industries and then look at our mounting massive debt and tell me if there are any other candidates that are even acknowledging these issues as pressing ones, never mind have an actual plan to address the real causes of our pending economic collapse and not the symptoms.

JMO,

Manny
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: traderfjp On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 11:48 pm

Opinions are like a holes we all have one. He received a majority of the popular vote when he ran so he has a pretty strong following. I guess you must know some things that the other millions of Americans who voted for him wasn't privy to. Why do u say he wants to take our money?
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: CapeCoaler On: Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:18 am

A more involved population that voted would be a nice change!
Smaller government/less lobbyists/cut all earmarks/lower taxes
I do not care who runs the government....I just want to see it run like a normal American household.
No excessive credit card use.
Keep it within budget.
No sugary treats.
Balanced meals.
Save for a rainy day.
Plan ahead.
Play nice but kick some ass when necessary.

Government should be like a Pyramid-very little at the top/federal and most of it at the bottom/local
Towns/states should be self sufficient and not need any government handouts.
The Government does not have an income problem it has a spending problem.
Use the 80/20 rule.
You can not have ALL the good with NONE of the bad.
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: Devil505 On: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:04 am

pvolcko wrote:What do you current and former Ron Paul supporters think of Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin?



Bob Barr's partisan cheer leader role during the Clinton impeachment fiasco will always eliminate him as a possibility for me.



chabbo wrote:I am not looking to cast my vote for the candidate more likely to win, but rather, for the candidate that can extricate the US from its inevitable economic collapse that I foresee sooner rather than later.


Absolutely! It seems that too many people don't really like John McCain or what the Republican Party has turned into these last 8 years, but will "Hold Their Noses" & vote for him because the "Talking Heads" have convinced them that, beside Obama, he's the only one with a chance of winning. To me, that is a very poor way of showing whose conduct you want to reward with your vote. It is a vote bowing to fear rather than conviction & courage! I believe you should vote for the person you most agree with & would actually like to see as President, not who the "Experts" are trying to herd you behind! The only effective way we voters get to show what we want is with our vote......& I am not going to throw mine away!
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Re: Clear Choice In November-An Opinion

PostBy: gambler On: Thu Aug 28, 2008 7:42 am

traderfjp wrote:Opinions are like a holes we all have one. He received a majority of the popular vote when he ran so he has a pretty strong following. I guess you must know some things that the other millions of AMericans who voted for him wasn't privy to. Why do u say he wants to take out money?


If this whole carbon credit scheme takes off and you and I are forced to buy into this crap Al stands to make large sums of money. Also he goes around touting that we should save the environment and conserve energy but he uses way more energy than the average joe. Here is a link to one article but there are many out there that prove Al is in it for the money, eventually your money.
http://www.wnd.com/2007/03/40445/
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