Winning in Iraq isn't News

Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 9:45 am

coalmeister wrote:Murtha's military service does not disqualify him from puke status.


Yes it does! :D


In regards to the news stories of Congressman Murtha & Haditha, you evidently missed the entire thrust of his anger.
Murtha has spent his whole life either in the military (Marines) or the strongest supporter of our troops that there is in Congress!
His anger was not directed at a few young, scared Marines caught up in a horrible situation for which they were never trained, but at the cynical civilian administration that is misusing them!
( I don't know how old you are or what the extent your life experiences are but I would point out that reality is often more complicated than fantasy it usually pays off to learn as much as you can about a subject before you form such a strong opinion. Just a little friendly advice to a fellow coal burner. ;) )
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: coalmeister On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:14 pm

Tell me why ducks all questions about it then? Sorry, I read and watched a lot about this story and I totally disagree with your thesis. He was judge and jury, using his bully pulpit and the boys, just to make Bush and the war look bad.
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:39 pm

coalmeister wrote:Tell me why ducks all questions about it then? Sorry, I read and watched a lot about this story and I totally disagree with your thesis. He was judge and jury, using his bully pulpit and the boys, just to make Bush and the war look bad.


Explaining why the Democrats in general have not shown much courage in fighting this Iraq mistake is beyond my ability to psychoanalyze them. Murtha has plenty of guts & I'm sure he would love to explain his motives and position but is simply bowing to the party higher-ups who don't want to rock the boat & see this as a vote losing issue for November. I strongly disagree with them, & I'm sure Murtha does too. (just look at Jack Murtha & tell me he isn't the exact guy you would want beside you in a foxhole when things got rough! :rambo2: )
As far as this opinion goes..." to make Bush and the war look bad.[/quote]"........Bush does not need Murtha's help in making this war look bad. He's done a pretty good job of that, all by himself!

We are all entitled to our opinions & my earlier point was not meant to be a personal attack, merely an admittedly hasty observation.
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: coalmeister On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:02 pm

This will be my last post on this dead horse

My point is Jack Murtha accused those boys of the crime long, long, before they even started court proceedings. I saw his statement replayed many times, with my own little eyes.That is beyond wrong, particularly for an ex Marine to do to serving Marines.

That is the beginning, the middle and the end of my point. If you did not see it, turn off CNN and turn on Fox News once in a while :D
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: Devil505 On: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:19 pm

coalmeister wrote:My point is Jack Murtha accused those boys of the crime long, long, before they even started court proceedings.


My point is that Murtha was simply stating first hand, eye-witness testimony told to him by a few of the Marines present, but you're right we are drifting off topic here.
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: spc On: Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:36 am

Found this great news,
"Iraqi troops take control of Anbar province"

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/ ... =rss_world

When is BO going to give credit for the surge?
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: BugsyR On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:32 am

spc wrote: When is BO going to give credit for the surge?


He won't give credit where credit is due and he doesn't know how to say "I was wrong!" either. Just another lawyer/politician that won't admit it when he is/was wrong.

Barack Obama said the surge of American forces in Iraq has ``succeeded beyond our wildest dreams,'' though Iraqis still haven't done enough to take responsibility for their country.
``The surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,'' Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, said in a recorded interview broadcast tonight on Fox News's ``The O'Reilly Factor'' program.


Obama today defended his opposition to the surge when pressed by O'Reilly to say he was ``wrong.''

``There's an underlying problem with what we've done,'' Obama replied. ``We have reduced the violence, but the Iraqis still haven't taken responsibility.''

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080905/pl_bloomberg/am9xoyqf06li_1

He sure is full of fluff.
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: spc On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:56 am

the Iraqis still haven't taken responsibility.''


Many have, with their lives. This list doesn't include government & other public service officials.

Iraqi Security Forces (aligned with Coalition)
2003: 260 police
2004: 1,040 police[21][22] & 453 soldiers killed[23][24] [25][26][27][28][29] [30][31][32][33][34] [35][36][37][38][39] [40][41][42][43][44] [45][46][47][48]
2005: 1,497 police & 1,096 soldiers killed[49] [50][51]
2006: 1,585 police & 627 soldiers killed[52]
2007: 1,913 police & 432 soldiers killed[53]
2008: 630 police & 361 soldiers[54]
Total: 6,925 police and 3,898 soldiers killed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties ... since_2003
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: sharkman8810 On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:30 pm

I do find it interesting that the iraq was seems to have been taken out of the daily evening news as much as it has. It use to be daily body counts etc. I think that there is alot of improvement in the situation. I do think that alot of credit should go to the general in charge, Petraeus i believe.
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: Devil505 On: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:24 pm

sharkman8810 wrote:I think that there is alot of improvement in the situation.


I think the real news is that we U.S. taxpayers are still paying over 10 billion per month over there while Iraq is banking billions of their money in our banks, & that news isn't being aired/covered enough either?? :mad:
I want to hear some news reported that, from now on, my hard earned tax money will be spent right here......on my children & Grandchildren!

Time to fix our priorities....That will be really good news!
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: spc On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 2:26 pm

Finally some good news from Iraq, from the NYT no less. :clap:

"BAGHDAD — At first, I didn’t recognize the place.
Two years ago, when I last stayed in Baghdad, Karada Mariam was like the whole of the city: shuttered, shattered, broken and dead.

Abu Nawas Park — I didn’t recognize that, either. By the time I had left the country in August 2006, the two-mile stretch of riverside park was a grim, spooky, deserted place, a symbol for the dying city that Baghdad had become.

These days, the same park is filled with people: families with children, women in jeans, women walking alone. Even the nighttime, when Iraqis used to cower inside their homes, no longer scares them. I can hear their laughter wafting from the park. At sundown the other day, I had to weave my way through perhaps 2,000 people. It was an astonishing, beautiful scene — impossible, incomprehensible, only months ago."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/weeki ... ref=slogin

Now lets not make snide meaningless remarks. You know who :twisted: I mean. :nono: :shh:
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:44 pm

spc wrote:Now lets not make snide meaningless remarks. You know who :twisted: I mean. :nono: :shh:



One simple question........You categorize it as you see fit:


With our stock market & economy in serious trouble right here in the United States, is it wise to continue to squander ten billion per month in oil rich Iraq to prop up theirs, while they save billions in our banks?
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:54 pm

"while they save billions in our banks?"


They are supposed to be using it to rebuild their infrastructure, where did you hear that?
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: Devil505 On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:38 pm

coalmeister wrote:They are supposed to be using it to rebuild their infrastructure, where did you hear that?



Right Here.



While we are spending our tax dollars to rebuild their country & economy, they have over $50 billion in our banks....WHY?


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/3 ... ine06.html




U.S. issues threat to Iraq's $50 billion foreign reserves in military deal

The U.S. is holding hostage some $50 billion of Iraq's money in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York to pressure the Iraqi government into signing an agreement seen by many Iraqis as prolonging the U.S. occupation indefinitely, according to information leaked to The Independent.

U.S. negotiators are using the existence of $20 billion in outstanding court judgments against Iraq in the U.S., to pressure their Iraqi counterparts into accepting the terms of the military deal, details of which were reported for the first time in this newspaper yesterday.

Iraq's foreign reserves are currently protected by a presidential order giving them immunity from judicial attachment but the U.S. side in the talks has suggested that if the U.N. mandate, under which the money is held, lapses and is not replaced by the new agreement, then Iraq's funds would lose this immunity.





I say lets take that money & give it back to the American taxpayer who is suffering while the Iraqis are hording billions!
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Re: Winning in Iraq isn't News

PostBy: coalmeister On: Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:59 pm

Thank the UN mandate for that.
Would be nice to quietly funnel it off to the U.S. Treasury. What am I saying, congress would just spend it on pork to get reelected
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