Winning in Iraq isn't News

coalmeister wrote:Thank the UN mandate for that.

Wrong.....Thank GW Bush with the approval of John McCain: (from the above quoted clip)

Devil505 wrote:"Iraq's foreign reserves are currently protected by a presidential order giving them immunity from judicial attachment"

Devil505 wrote:
" In regards to the news stories of Congressman Murtha & Haditha, you evidently missed the entire thrust of his anger.
Murtha has spent his whole life either in the military (Marines) or the strongest supporter of our troops that there is in Congress!
His anger was not directed at a few young, scared Marines caught up in a horrible situation for which they were never trained, but at the cynical civilian administration that is misusing them!
( I don't know how old you are or what the extent your life experiences are but I would point out that reality is often more complicated than fantasy it usually pays off to learn as much as you can about a subject before you form such a strong opinion. Just a little friendly advice to a fellow coal burner. )"


The above necessitated the below friendly information for a fellow coal burner in need good info

The Murtha Hypocrisy —
Whitewashing Terrorists, Slandering Marines

Darryl Sharratt is the father of former Marine L/Cpl Justin Sharratt He is also a constituent of John Murtha’s 12th Congressional district. On May 17, 2006, Darryl and his family watched in horror as their own Congressman appeared on national television and called their son, and his Haditha Marine squad mates "cold-blooded" murderers even before an investigation had begun.

In fact, Congressman Murtha not only improperly influenced the prosecution of the Haditha Marines from the start by stating exactly what the not-yet-conducted investigation would conclude, he insisted that anyone who said different, up to and including General Peter Pace, was a liar.

Congressman Murtha was wrong. As each Marine has come to trial, he has been fully exonerated of any criminal activity. The final Marine, Staff Sergeant Wuterich, has seen his own charges reduced to manslaughter as the result of a preliminary hearing. This means that no one in authority still claims that the incident in Haditha was "cold-blooded murder."

No one except Congressman John Murtha.

But Mr. Murtha’s zeal for identifying those who commit "cold-blooded murder" does not extend to individuals intent on the destruction of America. This summer, the Congressman voted against the Hoekstra Amendment to an intelligence funding bill. The Amendment prohibits all US Intelligence Agencies from whitewashing the behavior of the Islamic terrorists in their memos, reports, and in all other correspondence. Without the Hoekstra Amendment, terms such as terrorist, insurgent, Jihadist, and Islamic fundamentalist would have been banned in dealing with known enemies of our country.

Darryl Sharratt was outraged. "Mr. Murtha, when will your hypocrisy end? You have shown no remorse, you have shown no embarrassment for falsely pronouncing United States Marines, cold blooded murderers. On May 17, 2006 you denied these Marines their protections under the United States Constitution. With your ‘for the ban’ vote last week, you tried to give our enemies rights which you denied our Haditha Marines. Marines like my son."

John Murtha once served his country. But today, his words and actions to protect the reputations of the terrorists and destroy those of our own Marines are anything but patriotic. In fact, his false accusations are used by terrorists around the world to inflame anti-American sentiment, and to vindicate their bombings and suicide missions.

But instead of admitting that he was wrong and apologizing to the Marines, their families, and the United States military, the Congressman voted to remove the descriptions of the terrorist actions his accusations are inciting from U.S. intelligence files. And there is significant speculation that he may be using the influence of his Congressional position to delay the trial of the final Marine, Staff Sergeant Wuterich, at least until after the election.

Obviously, Mr. Murtha is as sure of the outcome of that election as he is of the guilt of the Haditha Marines. He shouldn’t be.

coalmeister wrote:The above necessitated the below friendly information for a fellow coal burner in need good info

To be honest with you, I don't remember why I was so harsh in my response, but I admit to sometimes getting too emtional & often shoot from the hip.

BUT


In regards to John Murtha, he is simply a hero & combat veteran who has always been one of the strongest supporters of The US Marine Corp in Congress. IMO, to attack Murtha's honor shows how deep is the depravity of the Bush administration. (You know....GW Bush,.......the sniveling little "Mommas Boy" coward who's daddy got him out of the Vietnam War so he could get drunk every night!?!.......That GW Bush!

(Just proving how I like to shoot from the hip!)

After what Murtha said about those Marines? Bush is the bad guy?????? LMFAO!!!! You are one of a kind, coal brother, one of a kind. You told me " ( I don't know how old you are or what the extent your life experiences are but I would point out that reality is often more complicated than fantasy it usually pays off to learn as much as you can about a subject before you form such a strong opinion. Just a little friendly advice to a fellow coal burner. )
Can't you admit you were wrong on this Murtha thing?
BTW I will be in Massachusetts this weekend and if you don't admit it, I will be looking for a waft of coal smoke to hunt you down and I will waterboard you until you do! (oh wait, there is no smoke from our coal)

coalmeister wrote:Can't you admit you were wrong on this Murtha thing?

No I can't...because he wasn't wrong. He was going on info he had been told. (whatever was the source for your info above, they had an agenda & I don't accept their "Facts" or arguments.)

coalmeister wrote:BTW I will be in Massachusetts this weekend and if you don't admit it, I will be looking for a waft of coal smoke to hunt you down and I will waterboard you until you do! (oh wait, there is no smoke from our coal)

Always willing to "Straighten Out" a brother coal burner over a few beers if you'll be near SE Mass.
(Hell....I may even be willing to show you the proper way to burn coal! )


(as far as the threat to "Hunt me down".........I may be a liberal on many issues......but I am an ARMED LIBERAL...& my "Uncle" taught me how to shoot well!!

Which facts don't you accept?
Armed lib? Like I said, you're one of a kind.

coalmeister wrote:Which facts don't you accept?

Any of the allegations falsely attributed to Murtha. If you choose to continue this attack on an American hero, please provide independent newspaper article links, from major, respected newspapers. (b4 Richard jumps down my throat for asking for evidence, I remind you that coalmeister is not merely stating his opinions but is claiming facts.....& claimed facts require evidence)

http://www.punditreview.com/2008/08/had ... hn-murtha/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12856998/
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 43,00.html (read the last paragraph)
http://search.cnn.com/search?query=murt ... entPage=10
http://www.onemarinesview.com/one_marin ... -from.html
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnew ... ember.html
http://www.drudge.com/news/112933/marin ... er-remarks
http://kdka.com/local/Marine.Murtha.Sla ... 25039.html
http://russellbrigade.com/defend-our-heroes/
http://warchronicle.com/DefendOurMarine ... ws_694.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMedVWUsSFU
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/artic ... E_ID=57713

Seven of eight Marines cleared of charges. One still awaiting trial. There is over 2,500 links on CNN when you search "Murtha Haditha apology". Read em all. I think a video of the father of one of the exonerated Marine speaks louder than CNN anyway.

Watch it with your own little eyeballs. Don't forget to click on the links below the clip.
Murtha, a hero? Maybe in another life. He is now a partisan hack, willing to sacrifice his fellow Marines even before trial, at the altar of his liberal ego. What a disgrace.

Scanned our 2nd link http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12856998/ & it backs up what I'm saying about Murtha.
I'll look at others when I have a chance.

In the MSNBC report he is doing his typical backpedaling and blaming Time mag for bad "inside information". Of course it was "inside" so he does not have to reveal how thin it might be.

The sorry part of the whole affair is that he hung those boys out to dry before there was any solid evidence and even before their day in court. This is really the beginning and the end of it.

Honorable Marines would support their brothers in arms until proven otherwise. Instead he crucified his fellow Marines with bad information for political gain. Apparently he has never heard of "Semper Fi" (Always Faithful). Pretty sad.

coalmeister wrote:Honorable Marines would support their brothers in arms until proven otherwise. Instead he crucified his fellow Marines with bad information for political gain. Apparently he has never heard of "Semper Fi" (Always Faithful). Pretty sad.

I'll just restate my earlier point:

In regards to the news stories of Congressman Murtha & Haditha, you evidently missed the entire thrust of his anger.
Murtha has spent his whole life either in the military (Marines) or the strongest supporter of our troops that there is in Congress!
His anger was not directed at a few young, scared Marines caught up in a horrible situation for which they were never trained, but at the cynical civilian administration that is misusing them!

We are taking about convicting fellow Marines, not whether he is angry, not that he was a war hero, and no he is not a supporter of the Marines WHEN HE CONVICTS THEM BEFORE TRIAL. END OF STORY

Here is the headline "Lawmaker: Marines killed Iraqis ‘in cold blood’" What part of this don't you understand?

Theres more from "guilty before proven Jack" "They actually went into the houses and killed women and children," the congressman said.
What kind of Marine would say this stuff when he wasn't even there??
There is 45 thousand pages listed when you Google "Murtha cold blood" HE CONVICTED FELLOW MARINES BEFORE TRIAL. THIS IS THE POINT AND THE ONLY POINT.

I don't care if he was freakin Rambo in Nam, Rambo would not crap on his brothers.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/ ... a.marines/

coalmeister wrote:What kind of Marine would say this stuff when he wasn't even there??

A proud combat veteran who was repulsed by the first hand info he had been given by fellow Marines who were actually there, & who never should have been placed in that situation in the first place.

To be acquitted of a crime does not necessarily mean you are innocent. Is OJ an innocent man?

I guess I am not making it simple enough for you. Lets walk through it at the very most basic level.

Here is how it should have worked if Murtha had any class.

Reporter: Congressman Murtha we hear there might have been a massacre in Haditha, any comments?

Murtha: Whoa there young fella, those are some outrageously harsh, not to mention unsubstantiated, charges. We are trained in the Marines to serve in very difficult situations and and based on my 20 years in the Corps, I find it highly unlikely. Lets wait until the investigation is complete or they have their day in court. Shame on you to rush to judgment on these fine boys serving our country.

See how that works if you are not a political hack? Actually if they are guilty or innocent at that early stage was irrelevant.

Murtha is being sued by one of the Marines, hope he takes his house and everything he owns...

Murtha, “There’s no question Western Pennsylvania is a racist area,”

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j0q0 ... AD93R4AS82